4 Unions Defy Joe Biden, Reach Deal to Build Keystone XL Pipeline

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  1. Moonglow

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    Those illegals are still stealing jobs and keeping wages down in my area so Trump has failed. What is ironic is my area is a solid Republican constituency and has been the last 35 years I have lived here and they have always hired the illegals...
     
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    We don't get oil from China so - not much related to increased industrialization due to Keystone - but - your point is well taken in that industrialization of China has led to a massive increase in ocean pollution.
     
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    Keystone is a bad idea.
     
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    We should keep the jobs here and the pollution here because it flows here from China anyway.
     
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    https://globalnews.ca/news/1069624/...-by-rail-truck-pipeline-you-may-be-surprised/

    "A Global News analysis found that train spills in transit are larger than those from pipelines. And trucks, though they have a higher rate of accidents, tend to spill much less.

    The Transport Canada database doesn’t include the most recent train accidents that have gripped the country – notably Lac-Megantic and Plaster Rock, NB. But it shows three major train accidents that spilled tens of thousands of litres of crude while in transit."
     
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    We do not pollute like non -industrialized nations - and so when you industrialize these non industrialized nations - not only do you transfer our pollution problems to others - we increase pollution.
     
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    Anyone can have an opinion but, is it informed :)
     
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    Yeah, the stuff in seriously toxic and is going to mess up water supplies when it leaks.

    And it's too expensive to bother with until crude prices are a LOT higher than they are now.
     
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    The stuff is toxic crap. Bringing it into the country is idiotic.
     
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    I doubt even first hand e-mail can sway the indoctrination technics used on the Democratic party! But good luck ;)
     
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    The DP has historically been the great enemy of the working class.
    Democrat politicians are now very open about their hostility to American workers.
    Hence Trump.
     
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    Any oil getting into water supplies is toxic - That's why it is better to ship by pipeline than by Tanker.

    We have to get this "Toxic" product from somewhere - the fact of the matter is Canada does not dump Heavy Metals and Persistent organic pollutants into the Oceans - nor will purchasing Canada result in industrialization of a third world country.

    A barrel of Canadian crude is way less environmentally harmful that buying outside North America - and this is simply not debated in serious circles - such as mine.
     
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    That's very low grade crude that is not currently profitable, or even close to being profitable, to turn it into diesel. But we already have more low grade crude than we need.

    Oh, the really crappy low grade is more toxic than the sweet stuff.
     
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    The environment does not care whether or not it is profitable - aside from the fact that you have no clue what you are talking about with respect to Crude - an area that I have worked in for decades.

    How many oil contaminated sites have you cleaned up using Bioremediation.
    How many Pipelines have you worked on
    How many Refineries have you worked at.

    but just to completely dash your attempt at throwing mud at the wall and hoping something will stick.

    Heavy Crude Shortage Is Taking Its Toll On U.S. Refiners
    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-...ortage-Is-Taking-Its-Toll-On-US-Refiners.html

    And we have to get it from somewhere - you have two choices - you can do it the Environmentally dirty way or the less dirty way - Blue has Chosen the dirty path - on the basis of political games - unfortunately.


    Sucks that Blue is now the Neocon anti Enviro party - doesn't it.
     
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    The days of the gas guzzling automobile are numbered. We are headed into the age of battery and Hydrogen operated vehicles.
     
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    Biden calls an AR-15 and AR-14. Then compares the AR-15 to a machine gun. And of course he had no answer for the many deaths caused by handguns. Biden clearly showed he's not ready for prime time debates with Trump. I don't much care for Trump but if Biden is elected I hope his VP is more than capable of being the president as I don't see Biden lasting a full 4 year term.
     
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    A lot of people are going to this general class of two-wheeled transport:

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    Relatively cheap and practical. But it's difficult to keep one from being stolen.
     
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    Just wanted to add, cheap crude can also be pumped back into depleted or existing fields also for cheaper costs at the pumps later.. Good post in any case!
     
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    It also flows through the US - purchased at the WCS price - cheap cheap cheap - and sold for the Brent price. So right now Brent is 45 - WTI is 42 - WCS - Western Canadian Select is 30 bucks.

    This issue was the straw that broke this camel's back - As you well know - I don't like Trump much - and nor am I a fan of Red - and think their policies suck .. but hold my nose and vote against Blue I will

    When Micheal Moore puts out a flick - and is derided by the left for truthful content - because it doesn't jive with the narrative of the day - Perhaps you have found yourself too far left of center .. No ? Ya feel me mate .. like WTF - With Moore you are starting darn far to the left to begin with... and your on the opposite end of the left extreme from that ? Whats next .. demonizing folks for claiming the moon is not made of green cheese because it offends some child who read a story where the moon was indeed made of the Green stuff ..
     
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    Eliminate fossil fuels. What could possibly go wrong?
     
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    Trump: We have oil, we're gonna use it.

    Biden: No more oil. More Solyndra!
     
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    Well we can't - that's the problem. OH Sure - "Sometime in the Future" such a thing might be possible but next year - we are going to use 20 million barrels per day - for 365.25 days :)

    We have to get this product from somewhere ..

    A) Canada/Domestic "Pipeline or B) Nigeria/Foreign - Tanker

    There is no C) we wont be using 20 million barrels option for next year.

    The argument -
    "Why invest money in a pipeline - when we won't need that pipeline in 2050 - because we are not using fossil fuels " came from a su learned activist giving talk I listened to on the radio the other day.

    So this supposedly learned individual idiot - has yet to figure out that there is no option C) on the test. Really ? This person is that stupid.?

    I highly doubt it - this person knows they are Full of Sht - but they realize that most sheep will not notice - so they say it anyway.

    but in choosing C - they are arguing against A) Pipelines - which means they are arguing for B) Nigeria

    Unfortunately - option B) Nigeria is a horrible choice for the environment.

    This is some upside down Sht - Blue is now both openly Neocon and Anti Environment.

    Who would have thunk it - other than Orwell of course - L)
     
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    Far more energy to transport by rail as well - but never mind - these folks are in favor of Oil Tanker over Pipeline - and how stupid is that - talking about bigger and more damaging spills - and the transit is pollutive - and what about "Save the Whales" ? increasing Ocean Traffic.

    Spills on land are very easy to clean up - Ocean spills ????? - who are we kidding ? A spill on land you just dig up the soil - spread it out on a farmers field and bioremediate the stuff - When done the Farmer has the most fertile crops around for the next decade.

    If it happens at a river crossing this is a bigger problem - but not near as big as in the Ocean. These days River Crossings are double walled - have containment - monitoring and so on. The spills we see are from old lines where they just ran the line under the river. Today this is very low risk.

    Tanker in the Ocean ????? - What bunch of clowns these NGD politicians and activists are.
     
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    This is great news. We need these pipelines to enhance our energy independence and being a net energy exporter. Lots of high paying working class blue collar jobs will be created by this.
     
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