Why is it too dangerous to wait in line to vote...

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  1. cirdellin

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    Or perhaps they could spread them out.
    I’m sorry, I had lived in a number of places in the US and have not experienced what you describe.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/jose-andres-kentucky-primary-trnd/index.html

    Normally, Kentucky has around 3,700 polling locations, according to its Secretary of State. Today, though, Kentuckians have just 170 locations to cast their ballots, with the state's two most populous counties, Fayette and Jefferson, having just one in-person polling location each.
     
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    Then there are serious polling issues in that state. But I find it hard to believe there is a systemic situation like that across the entire US. Perhaps there should be federal funding to solve it since the federal government is spending money like water anyway.
    When I lived there I never experienced anything like that anywhere I lived.
     
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    If you could vote early in person, over the course of a week or so at your local polling place. Or if you could vote on election day in person while practicing social distancing. Or if you could vote by mail. Which one would you have the most confidence in, that your vote would actually get to where it was supposed to go. And be transferred to where it was supposed to be transferred, collected and properly tallied? As for my wife and I, we intend to vote early, in person, just like we do every election. And there is never an issue with overcrowding. It's like a cake walk with lots of cakes and only us, looking forward to the sugar rush.
     
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    When are 150 million people ever in one place at one time for voting (akin to the John Lewis funeral)??
     
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    Where we vote in West Central Florida every election, there are always more poll workers than voters at any one time. But we do vote early, rather than on election day.
     
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    Well that and the fact that it will take to next November to get a count.
     
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    Maybe someone can explain how mail in voting can certify that people are who they claim they are, how it can be assured that people are not voting more than once and how the records are kept and for how long. Is there some kind of cross referencing? And how far from Election Day are people allowed to send in their ballots?

    Also can familial or other pressure intimidate people to fill in their mail in ballots to the wishes of others. This would seem to not be an issue with in person voting as the ballots are truly secret.
     
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    We got an invitation to request a ballot. We had to sign the request form so they could compare the signatures.
     
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    So someone is making subjective decisions about signature similarities?
     
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    Sigh. And?

    Of the very small number of people who receive a ballot in error, how many are going to voluntarily commit a felony on the off chance that their one extra ballot is going to sway the election?

    The level of organization, the number of people and the overall logistics of changing the election outcome via fraud is too insurmountable to even guess.

    You need an entire team dedicated to figuring out which addresses MAY get an extra ballot, send people to those homes to not only convince the new homeowner to commit fraud, but to do so in a manner that favors the candidate they want to win.

    If I get a ballot in error, and someone shows up to my house and asks me if I received the ballot, am I going to say yes? If I did, what makes you think I'd fill it out for your guy?

    It's madness.

    Plus, we have literally had mail in voting since the CIVIL WAR!
     
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    When is the virus in one place only?
     
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    Gore lost the 2000 election by just a few hundred votes in Florida. Doesn’t take much to make a big difference.
    There also have been a number of other questionable political practices in the US since the civil war. Doing something wrong for a long time does not age them to be correct
     
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    Irrelevant.

    You were fallaciously comparing a few hundred people under one roof at one time at one location (at the funeral) to the number of voters under many roofs at many times during the day at many locations across the entire nation...

    To make an accurate comparison, you must compare the number of voters under one roof at one time at one location to the hundreds of people who attended the funeral...
     
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    If you stood in a crowd to protest for BLM you’re OK standing in a line to vote. Sorry. Try again.
     
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    And again there are far more liquor stores which are open every day and voluntarily entered by more people in a single week creating more exposure than would occur in all polling places on that one day.

    If people are willing to risk exposure there to get wasted why not take the risk of voting in a proper voting booth where their actions are consequential?
     
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    Well, I didn't stand in any such line. I'll be voting by mail this year.
     
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    For those complaining that did. They have no excuse.
     
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    It isn't one extra ballot that anyone worries about and they aren't talking about individual requests. The suggestion has been made to send out ballots to every registered voter but voters move and not every living voter breathes. There was a post that asked if you won the lottery would you mail your winning ticket in?
     
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    Of course you wouldn’t mail in your winning lottery ticket or even a closely due bill. Those things are important!!

    But the US postal service has never lost, intentionally discarded or misdirected a letter or parcel to be fair.

    Mail carriers took an oath for goodness sake :)
     
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    Hardly, since the virus ignores your math and exist in it's own realm.
     
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    Lottery tickets must be turned in person, voting not so much. If you used that logic then the president is wrong for voting via mail in ballot..But you never will say that.
     
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    I doubt very seriously they do vote...
     
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    When I was living in Illinois there was a multimillion dollar lottery winner who mailed in his ticket and made the news for his astounding stupidity but he got paid.
    I don’t care what Trump does. I make up my own mind on issues.Because he does it doesn’t make it right or wrong.
     
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    Yes the oath. I plumb forgot about that.
     
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