Abortion is based on the theory of equivalence

it is not unlimited for either of us

 

No one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another.

 

agree to disagree.

 

I would have thought the analogy should have been obvious. Are you saying you're unable to see the analogy, or you just disagree with it?

 

I am unsure how that statement has anything to do with the discussion in this thread.

You realize that's not the point of argument here?

 

I disagree with it. Your abortion question is only about when the fetus is terminated, it isn't asking whether the termination should happen or not. Your analogy is about an action that determines whether a person lives or dies.

It could be a relevant analogy in relation to arguing against abortion entirely but not relevant to the question you actually asked. It's fundamentally difference between asking if abortion should happen at all and accepting that it can but asking when and how it should happen.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another.

!!!!!So you think it's acceptable for someone who needs a heart or liver or a blood transfusion to FORCE someone else to give them theirs ???? !!!!!

Wow, just wow....

If you were the one being forced to die to keep someone else alive would you be agreeable to that ?!

 

I already addressed that in the opening post. This is the mother, who brought her baby into being, not some random stranger.
And it does not involve giving up some organ. The process is perfectly natural. Every single person had a mother who did it.

Like I have discussed in other threads, imagine that you caused a car wreck, and now the victim of that car wreck needs a blood transfusion from you to survive.

Maybe incident that created the situation was accidental, resulting from your negligence.

(Maybe a woman who refuses to give life in such a situation should be charged with manslaughter ?)

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
!!!!!So you think it's acceptable for someone who needs a heart or liver or a blood transfusion to FORCE someone else to give them theirs ???? !!!!!

WTF does it matter that pregnancy is "natural" ? It still harms the woman and

YOU HAVE NEVER PROVEN IT DOESN'T

So you think it's OK for someone who needs a new heart or kidneys or life saving body part to TAKE YOURS?


Well other people would object to having their body used that way against their will.....and it's against the law and destroys the basic right to bodily autonomy...

LOL But you must be right and everyone else is wrong... LOL! Hilarious!

 

Other people would object to you causing someone to die, and then on top of that, refusing to let them use your body when you could have saved them.

 

It seems you are constantly trying to change the argument, and inject a new argument - another complicated argument that would inevitably derail the main issue discussed in the opening post.

I am not discussing your supposed "self-defense" argument in this thread; I am discussing the supposed pro-choice argument that abortion (i.e. killing) is equivalent to a woman choosing not to sustain life with her body.

Why can't you stay on-topic?

 

THE UNCHERRYPICKED POST :

So you think it's OK for someone who needs a new heart or kidneys or life saving body part to TAKE YOURS?


Well other people would object to having their body used that way against their will.....and it's against the law and destroys the basic right to bodily autonomy...

LOL But you must be right and everyone else is wrong... LOL! Hilarious!

NO one is obligated to use their body to sustain the life of another and you have NEVER proven they do.

So you think it's OK for someone who needs a new heart or kidneys or life saving body part to TAKE YOURS?


Why couldn't you answer that?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

No, the idea behind abortion is that the woman doesn't want to be pregnant anymore.

Pure baloney...the fetus is part of and attached to the woman's body...

PROVE OTHERWISE....?????

Who says that besides you?

There are NO "abortion proponents"....there ARE people who believe women have rights equal to everyone else....

Are you saying they shouldn't have rights?



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What one does to a fetus matters.

Let's assume that women have full bodily autonomy concerning the fetus. Let's also say that a cultlike culture develops in some powerful country similar to that which occurred in the USSR in which many developed blind trust and faith in the leader. And let's say that this country's government found a way to tweak genes in a way that was beneficial for the government (more compliant, better soldiers, etc). And let's say that the women of this country largely agreed to let the government do this to "their" bodies.

You wouldn't feel threatened by this nation?
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You wouldn't feel sympathy for all the zombie-like people over there?

I know I and many others would. And when I think of why I would feel that way, it ultimately boils down to what you do to the unborn MATTERS. There are more possibilities involving fetuses than simply the act of scraping it out. Your societies are going to have to create principles on why these things should be outlawed. Good luck on those principles without involving the rights of the unborn.

 

They are outlawed...

And WHY would you think "the women of this country largely agreed to let the government do this to "their" bodies""

 

What's outlawed? Putin could have millions of fetuses messed with if it benefited mother Russia and our laws would mean nothing. But would it be right? I'm talking about the "why" it would be wrong for any nation to do such a thing.

 

I think some people have way too much time on their hands and want to make up stuff because they haven't noticed that really bad stuff is actually HAPPENING now and it is real and their fairy tales aren't.

People, real live independent-from-another's-body people, are dying...….from a very real disease and the leadership in this country is crap....and they are worried that women will go berserk if they are not CONSTRAINED LIKE CATTLE and start having abortions at 9 months.......this is bizarre!!