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How the Washington Post sees the rioters

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Steve N, Aug 11, 2020.

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Steve N, Aug 11, 2020
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    What do you see as the problem with the article?
     
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    I read the title. It talked about protest. No need to read further. Nobody is against protesters. The problem is rioters.
     
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    Do you see a problem in how these people are portrayed in the media?
     
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    Of course. they are portrayed as protesters. That is a lie. They are rioters.
     
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    All of them?
     
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    All the ones who riot.
     
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    Enough to cause more than a billion dollars nation wide, injure more than two hundred and kill at least six.
     
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    Do we know how many rioters there are in comparison the peaceful protestors? I don't support the rioting and violence in any way shape or form--my point is that we never seem to talk numbers on this issue. Depending on the source, it's either rioters or protestors. If we ignore one side in favor of the other, our view of things will be shaped by our choice of which facts are facts.
     
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    How many rioters there are is immaterial. Every one of them is a problem. It is not rioters or protesters. It is rioters and protesters. People just choose a side. Those who support rioting like the Portland city administration call rioting protesting. They understand that saying they support rioting is politically damaging.
     
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    Yes, people just choose a side. I think this shows how we can see the same thing differently. Protesting is at the core of our nation. The Boston Tea Party wasn't without what we consider rioting and destruction of property. I support protesting, but I'm not on board with the violence.

    I can see how the violence is essentially destroying public support for protestors, but I can also see how the media are manipulating the events to fit personal political narratives. I wish that the peaceful protestors would do the right thing and separate themselves from the rioters.

    Anyway, no, there are two groups that have different agendas. There are valid concerns about problems with policing, stereotyping and systemic bias. Those need to be addressed, but addressed peacefully. And just for the record, I don't think a long and pointless occupation does any good, no matter how well intended.
     
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    Based on dollars of damage and the dead and wounded I'd say if there are any that are 'peaceful' they are there only to provide meat shields for the bomb throwers.
     
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    How many people - here at PF, for example - support rioting? And do you have some kind of link that says Portland city admin supports rioting?
     
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    I think the better question is how many on the left "like" that the rioting is happening. Support or not, most lefties do seem to enjoy it.
     
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    It is abundantly clear they don't take steps to stop the rioting. What are we talking about here? 66 or 67 continuous days of chaos?
     
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    What numbers are you using to support that claim?
     
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    Please explain that. What gives you that impression? I'm asking because as I see it, people are not liking the protests, but are arguing against the way one group of media present the narrative. The use of rioters over protestors is an example of that narrative divide.
     
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    I think the question at the top is a valid question. Can we put say those who are not supporting some kind of force to stop the protests are in support of the riots?
     
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    My take,
    66 days of continuous protests are BS.
    Knowing every time there is a "protest" scheduled, there are ensuing riots.
    If one is inclined to denounce rioting, why show up at any of these nightly events which would only leave the troublemakers at the scene.
     
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    And I appreciate your view of things. As an analogy, if some Right-Wingers show up at a protest and engage in rioting and violence, should we blame Right-Wingers for not stopping, or even for attending the protest in a peaceful manner? I can't help but think of how Trump responded to the Charlottesville incident. And yes, there is irony enough for both sides on this.
     
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    If we got rid of the over abundance of guns, everywhere in America, then we would not need nearly as many police departments with huge tax paid budgets in all of our major cities. Every weekend, so far this year, children under the age of 15 and the majority much younger have been shot by black on black gun violence in Philadelphia. Well over 100 children killed so far this year. Get rid of the prevalence of GUNS everywhere in America then we won't need nearly as many police.
     
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    1 billion in damages, 6 dead and well over 200 injured at this point.
     
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    Thank you. How many people in total have taken part in the protests? Do we have any realistic numbers for that? Again, I'm not supporting or defending any of this, just looking at how we craft our views of things.
     
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    I, and many others here at PF who support the protests have repeatedly stated support for police to arrest those who are rioting. And we have seen many cases, especially early on, where protesters did what they could to stop those who were causing damage and looting. But what I don't support are the large scale police presences that are pushing peaceful protesters back and bombing them with chemicals. That isn't stopping rioting or looting or any of the damage.
     
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