Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  2. No.

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Let's stay with the question. How do you explain the choice to buy more expensive food, now that you know it's NOT cheaper?

    What is a 'low end consumer'? Does this mean someone with more money? It must, since they're buying the expensive stuff.
     
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  2. crank

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    So you can't explain why people pay $1 for a burrito they could make (in bulk, from scratch) for 50c?
     
  3. crank

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    Yes you do need to do better. But again, your schools aren't the problem.

    Why do some folk always need to have someone else (preferably Govt + tax payers) fix their own **** ups?
     
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    Are you aware there was a higher percentage of black home ownership last century, than this century?

    Well done, AA. Thanks Obama.
     
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    Not AA...

    "The reasons for the downturn in the black homeownership rate are varied and complex, experts say. They include a lack of affordable housing in some areas and chronically low inventory in others. Rising student debt is increasingly an issue, too, as more financially strapped buyers struggle to save for a down payment.

    All home buyers face these hurdles, but they disproportionately affect African Americans, said Jessica Lautz, director of demographics and behavioral insights at the National Association of Realtors (NAR). “Half of all African Americans to the market are first-time buyers,” Lautz said. “So grappling with student debt and affordability issues generates a much greater barrier to homeownership.”

    Discrimination is also playing a role, said Lisa Rice, president and chief executive of the National Fair Housing Alliance (NFHA).

    [Home buying while black]

    A study by the group found that real estate discrimination was pervasive in at least a dozen major metropolitan areas, including the District."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eartbreaking-decrease-in-black-homeownership/
     
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    Nice fantasy, but that's all it is.

    Countries with successful schools have federal schools or federal standards.

    Federal standards can't work here because of largely local funding.
     
  7. crank

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    1) No, they're not varied and complex at all, they're very very simple. Live where you can afford the housing, and don't take out loans for idiotic college degrees which will never secure you a job. CHOICES. Saving for a down-payment (when poor) is also very very simple. Live like a tight-a$$ pauper and save like blazes for as many years as it takes. That's what we mere mortals must do if we want to own property. I had to, and so did many people I know. If some folk think they're too special to do those hard yards, then they get what they've earned.

    2) That disproportionate impact is a result of choices, not 'the system'. There is nothing at all preventing African Americans from making the same sensible choices that others make.

    3) There is zero discrimination in the buying and selling of property. Vendors don't give a crap who the buyer is. They care only about selling the property.
     
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    That's not true either. I live in a country with federal schools and standards, and our outcomes vary widely according to demographics. And those demographics are NOT predicated on money or privilege. Some of our very best public schools are in middle to low income areas. One not far from me is in a very impoverished area, and is ranked in the top 50 schools in the country.

    I'll say it again .. the schools do a great job. Any child who wants to succeed, will be supported to do so.
     
  9. bringiton

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    Which is passed on genetically to their kids.
    Already proved false by both the Twins Study and the Transracial Adoption Study.
    That doesn't explain why two siblings with the same parents often have wildly divergent attitudes. You're just wrong.
    That doesn't mean the parent can choose for their kids.
    Already proved false by the Twins Study and the Transracial Adoption Study.
    Nothing is perfect, but the Twins Study was very credible. You're just wrong.
    That is just baldly false, as the often wildly divergent attitudes and choices of siblings -- even fraternal twins, but almost never identical twins -- raised in the same home prove.
     
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    They aren't. You have not seen such stats, either.
     
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    Oh but yes they are, absolutely. I'm kinda shocked that you're not aware of it.
     
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    1) It's passed on environmentally, via modelling. Academic achievement is predicated upon self-discipline, not intelligence. Self-discipline is an acquired skill.

    2) Twin studies are flawed.

    3) Absolutely it does. No two kids are EVER parented the same, even twins. The only way that could ever happen is in strictly controlled environments, with robot parents.

    4) The parent can CHOOSE to take their kids education seriously. In so doing, the child is vastly more likely to take it seriously themselves. Argue that at your peril, then check every study on this, since the year dot.

    5) See number 3, above. No two children can ever be parented the same. It's just not possible. The best we can hope for is that they're not parented too differently. Unfortunately it does still happen. Parents with multiple children often drop the ball with one of them. We're all fallible.
     
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    Cheap and easy. That's why.
     
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    the poor are allowed to loot for free stuff because there is no law and order.
     
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    No. That violates the rights of those that own the goods.
    It's not "free" stuff, it's stolen goods.
    Yes there is.
    The best order is self restraint and the mutual respect for the rights of others.
     
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    disagree, at this rate it appears the poor blacks will be allowed to riot and loot well into the next election.

    rights are enforced by lawful government force.
     
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    You haven't convinced me fast food type meals popped into the microwave are cheaper.
    You said it, but I don't believe it.

    I do much of my shopping, I see what's in the grocery carts of most shoppers. It's not nutritious meals.
    And again, that is why the schools all across America have in school meals. For many kids in the country that is their only source of nutrition.
     
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    You haven't proved it's cheaper to make from scratch. You're saying so, doesn't make it so.

    And if you can prove it to be true, then you have the convenience factor.
    Pop that $1 burrito into microwave and in 1 minute, you have a meal.
     
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    More baseless claims?
    But then again, there may be more overall less home ownership this century then last century.
    There was a housing crash that happened while Bush was in office.
    Obama turned that crash around and the country went on a 10 year bull run. One of the longest runs in history.
     
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    Nope. We already know that is false because the adoption studies have proved it.
    False. Intelligence is the ability to understand. You can't learn what you can't understand. Intellectually gifted students often breeze through school with straight-As with minimal studying, sometimes with minimal attendance in class.
    False. It is largely the "conscientiousness" personality characteristic, which is largely genetic, as the twins studies have proved.
    No they aren't. You just refuse to know the facts they identify, because you have realized that those facts prove your beliefs are objectively false.
    No, it absolutely does not, which is why you cannot offer any actual evidence that it does.
    That's just the "No true Scotsman" fallacy, also seen in the form, "You just didn't pray hard enough." The adoption studies have already proved all your claims are false.
    If they are genetically similar to their parents, as biological offspring usually (though not always) are. If they are not genetically predisposed to take their education seriously, they are much less likely to do so regardless of parental modeling, as the adoption studies have proved.
    [quote[Argue that at your peril, then check every study on this, since the year dot.[/quote]
    I have checked the studies, thanks. You, by contrast, have never read any of the studies, as you have proved by not being able to cite any actual evidence to support your claims.
    I've seen it, thanks. It's nothing but absurd, anti-scientific garbage.
    It's also not relevant, as the adoption studies have proved: children adopted at or shortly after birth grow up to be more like their biological than their adoptive parents. That's just a fact. It is also implied by the fact of evolution. It is merely a fact that you have decided not to know.
    No, the best we can hope for is realism as to what parenting can and cannot accomplish.
    But much more often, the genetic dice just come up snake-eyes. As the adoption studies have proved.
    Except you, when you claim human behavior has no evolutionary component...?

    Time to ask: are you actually a creationist?
     
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    Huh? So, you are saying the manufacturers and retailers of convenience foods are reliably losing money on them....? And poor people in poor Latin American countries who live on $2 a day and actually make burritos from scratch to survive are spending $1 to make each one??

    Run that one by me again.
    Oh, there is no doubt that convenience foods are convenient. That's what makes people who can afford them willing to pay so much more for them.

    See how that works?
     
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    She said they are more expensive, which they indisputably are.
    OK. Do the math.
    OK. How much is a large bag of generic all-purpose white flour? How much is a large bag of generic dried beans? How much is a large sack of onions? How much is a large jug of corn oil or canola oil? How much is a large box of salt? How much is a large bag of generic or bulk-bin chili powder? How much is a large can of generic crushed tomatoes? Those are all the ingredients you need to make pretty tasty and nutritious burritos from scratch. If you want meat, too, that will add quite a bit to the cost, depending on how much you use and what price you can get it for. Do the math.
     
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    Well we know (very very well) that's it's definitely not cheap.

    So what you're saying - finally - is that it's chosen because it's easy. You admit that it's laziness.
     
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    No. Very specifically, black Americans have dropped in home ownership more this century. It's out of proportion to other demographics.

    Again, thanks Obama.
     

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