Why do blacks vote for democrats over 90% of the time?

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    National GOP give away to the rich for 40 years is the problem not the mayor for crying out loud.
     
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    The forensic evidence makes a pretty good case that she is guilty as hell.

    Rejected threesome ends in deadly stabbing in northeast Minneapolis

    I don't recall Trump talking about this case, but even so, I find it mind boggling that Biden aides would support, through a nonprofit, bail to let her out. Your defense of the brutal murder allegedly committed by her is puzzling as well.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Bologna. They are fat because they eat crap sugary processed foods and get diabetes and die. Thanks gop!
     
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    gullibility, lack of independent critical thought, lack of anywhere near enough African Americans to sort the details for themselves and then share in an organized fashion those political perspectives with other African Americans. Because if an African American doesn't step up to the plate, someone else will (and does).

    The sad truth is that that community, as a general whole, doesn't really have so much interest in the details of politics, theory, economics, or the mind-numbing intellectual parts of civic duty.
    (Part of this might not just be racial, but Robert Putnam's theory that people in more diverse areas care less about civics because they are less socially invested)

    And then the sad fact that most of the small handful of major African American intellectuals have basically been bought off. Because if they want access to the public, and to be able to get their message out, they have to compromise on their beliefs. That's the power of political parties and humungous media companies.
     
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    Haha ..... LOLs!
     
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    Perceived being the operative word.

    The reality is quite the opposite, of course.
     
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    So Republicans hold guns to the heads of black Americans and force them to buy that stuff?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    They did because the white kids were getting beat up by black kids that were bussed in from the ghetto areas. I after freshman through junior at my high school I attended one school and then just before my senior year started a federal judge said I had to go to another school. My whole high experience at that school and now to finally be the senior class and by the stroke of a pen that was denied. Now the school was integrated, my schools were integrated starting 7th grade. And we all live in the same neighborhoods and hung outside of school. But there weren't enough blacks at the school for this judge and he redrew school lines outside of neighborhoods and actually island had students bussed in and those students came from the poor crime infested neighborhoods. And it was a disaster and yes white students were driven out of those schools and the only options were night school or a private school. And the irony is the school I was switched after the switch had FEWER black students that at the school I was forced to leave.

    So yes it was the younger generations who rejected the segregation we saw as we grew up and helped change the entire attitude in the South and there have been no cases of voter suppression here and the Courts do not have to have a pre-say in our elections here, that small portion of the VRA which was supposed to have sunsetted decades ago was allowed to finally do so, anymore than anywhere else so either apply to all or to none.
     
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    The most well-known one that's probably Strom Thurmond who is a Democrat prior to 1965 in Republican after that. he very publicly sided the civil Rights Act and Democrats support of it for the reason that he switched parties several others did too but Thurmon was the one who led the opposition
     
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    Your OP claims "
    Not "dog whistle" comments or conjecture or "CRA/VRA" tripe. Southern strategy and code words nonsense​
    ",
    then you proceed to load up on half truths, supposition and conjecture and negative opinions with no documented support.

    Given that many of GOP supporters in the last 30 years have vocalized a similar mindset, I'd say you have your answer.
     
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    The candidate who as a private citizen and business owner help lead the effort desegregate the business area and desegregated his own store including employees? Who as commander of the state national guard was the first such commander in the country to order the desegregation of the military units, before Truman did so for the federal military? That candidate?

    Who voted against them on a constitutional basis

    "One of the most prominently held urban legends of our time is that Senator Barry Goldwater, the GOP candidate for president in 1964, was against civil rights because he voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This vote of Goldwater marked the start of when “the GOP began to go against civil rights” according to CNN’s Roland Martin’s version of the legend.....

    ....As a matter of fact, as one of the six voting against the 1964 Civil rights act, Senator Goldwater, on principle, disagreed with the idea of Federal government intervention regarding this matter. “His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and, second, that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do business, or not, with whomever they chose.”[3]

    More specifically, Goldwater had problems with title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods, and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National Guard and Phoenix public schools.[4] Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.[5]

    His personal feelings about discrimination are enshrined in the congressional record where he states, “I am unalterably opposed to discrimination or segregation on the basis of race, color, or creed or on any other basis; not only my words, but more importantly my actions through years have repeatedly demonstrated the sincerity of my feeling in this regard…”[6]. And, he would continue to hold fast to his strongly felt convictions that constitutionally the federal government was limited in what it could do, believing that the amoral actions of those perpetuating discrimination and segregation would have to be judged by those in that community. Eventually, the state’s government and local communities would come to pressure people to change their minds. Goldwater’s view was that the civil disobedience by private citizens against those business establishments was preferable than intervention by the feds. He, optimistically, believed that racial intolerance would soon buckle under the economic and societal pressure."
    https://freedomsjournalinstitute.org/uncategorized/urban-legend-goldwater-against-civil-rights/
     
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    Please supply the valid documentation that supports your assertion when in the last 30 years:

    - the Republican party consistently has tried to privatize Social Security.
    - the Republican party consistently has tried to privatize the USPS.
    - the Republican party consistently has tried to eliminate various Civil Right laws.
    - the Republican party consistently has tried to eliminate or privatize federally funded social service programs.

    These are just for starters. I would like to see the documentation where the majority of black Americans regardless of political affiliation support the aforementioned.
     
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    There is a strong denial of reality and willful ignorance movement among "conservatives" to deny the very existence of the "southern strategy" in the Republican party.
     
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    I know that. I was a Goldwater supporter back in 1964 who was too young to vote. One had to be 21 years old back then. But his vote against the civil rights bill was what induced blacks to totally abandon the Republican Party.
     
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    Because of how it was misrepresented and in spite of the fact the Republicans voted in higher percentages than Democrats for both bills which they had fought for for almost 100 years.
     
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    And the only one ever named because there was no massive and sudden shift and it was Byrd who led the opposition and he remained a Democrat with the rest of them. The Republicans had just won on the CRA and VRA it was no longer an issue, Thurmond no longer needed the Democrat party which had supported the segregationist policies and politicians.
     
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    politics is all about the perception people have of the candidates and in this case, political parties. Once arrived at, the perception is almost impossible to change.
     
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    No, Robert Byrd, the KKK member who stayed democrat led the charge. Strom might be "well-known", but that's from the propaganda push of the myth that the parties switched. Again, only 3 democrats out of 20+ switched. George Wallace, the great segregationist, stayed democrat. Strom, even being an advocate for states rights, wasn't doing so for racist reasons like all those who stayed democrat, he was following the constitution and the 10thA
     
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    In what way are you talking about that GOP in the last 30 years stuff? I wish we could have stayed away from the CRA/VRA, but a whole bunch of white leftists came in and started white-splaining for why they have blacks voting for their oppressors. But you wanna call any of my stuff "half truths", go a head and refute them please. White splain some more.
     
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    Already done.
     
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    What do these have to do with race?
    "Civil rights laws" or affirmative action that give preferential treatment to one group over another?
    You mean the services that effect more white people than black people?

    Oh, you are questioning how conservative blacks are.
    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...-more-socially-conservative-than-barack-obama
     
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    Maybe because its pushed by the left and makes no sense to those who are called racist based on a failed presidential run in the 60's. When you keep telling conservatives who are looking to spend less money on welfare programs that theyre racist, when most of those conservatives know that whites represent more of the poor than blacks, they look at you wondering why you equate poor people to black people. Nothing of the so called southern strategy makes sense, it is either described as a mass exodus or a slow burn over decades to convert the south to the GOP. You who push the notion that it work feel that just because a region that was racist and is now held by republicans somehow makes the party racist ignore the fact that people can move around this country freely. And the south being a very open and tempered climate with job opportunities, lower taxes, and lower costs of living makes it attractive for people to live there. And for the "racists" area you all claim it to be, it has the highest population of blacks in the nation despite the "utopia" of liberalism that reigns supreme in Chicago and Detroit.
     
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    Yep, and democrats have been so prolific at propaganda for so long, its by Goebbels(sp) used the democrats method for his propaganda in Germany.
     
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    blacks use SS and USPS, both, blacks use SS programs.
     
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    There are poor black people.
     

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