[QUOTE="Thingamabob, post: 1071974279, member: 73348" If Israelis would learn to love their children more than they hate Arabs then there will be peace in the Middle East. The only alternative is the utter destruction of Israel and when the smoke clears we'll see where the hate lies. The sooner the better I say.[/QUOTE] This was written about Arabs. It is valid for Arabs.
The Palestinian 'great' leader, Arafat, was Egyptian. Born and raised in Egypt. Their current leader, has Jordanian citizenship. The meaning of the word 'palestinian' in semitic languages, is 'invaders'. if they only bothered to learn any language indiginous to the place they claim to belong to.
No. It is written about Israelis. Here, read it again. I quote: You see? Anyone can clearly see that it is valid for Israelis.
When I look around the middle east I see Syrian arabs murdering Syrian arabs for the last decade. I see Iraqi arabs murdering Iraqi arabs. I see Yemenite Arabs murdering Yemenite arabs for 50 years now. I see Lybia in the sames state. I see Lebanon that has been in civil was in the 70s and 80s and now Hizbula stockpile blown haft of Bairuth. I see terrorist attacks everywhere. Arabs do not need Israel to murder each other in millions.
* Ben-Gurion was Polish * Moshe Sharett was Ukraini * Levi Eshkol was Ukraini * Golda Meir was Ukraini * Menachem Begin was Belarussian * Yitzhak Shamir was Belarussian * Shimon Peres was Belarussian (No sabras) Talk about "invaders". That's the definition of Israel and Zionism!
When I look around the world I see Israelis murdering Syrians, Iraqis, Yemenites, Libyans, Lebanese, Palestinians, Egyptians, Kurds, etc. And Americans (Israel’s benefactor) murdering each other about 20,000 each year. I see Israel terrorist attacks everywhere “Need”? What’s need?
Someone in a bar told you a story that you think is worth sharing! The area called Palistinia can be found on a map thousands of years old. Palestinians have lived in the land called Israel for thousands of years. Most of the Jews in Israel are from Europe and Russia and invaded within the last 100 years. Many of the ancestors of the current Muslim Palestinians were Jewish. They have more right to live in Israel than the European and Russian Jews
When did the war between UAE and Israel start? Specific date please. How come any deal always involves Israel stealing more land from The West Bank?
Not someone in a bar. A co-worker. The area called Pannonia can be found on maps of the ancient Roman Empire. Please provide details about the Pannonian nation, their founding myths, their history, their present. Why isn't anybody demanding that Pannonia be returned to the Pannonians? Please prove your assertion about Jewish ancestors of Muslim Palestinians. Did you know that accusing someone of being even remotely Jewish is a very serious insult in the Muslim world? https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs...scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=ujme20
LOL no comment about the ancient land called Palestinia. No comment about the European and Russian Jewish Invaders.
Despite this story being partly false and party exaggerated, this fantom Morrocan failed to tell you that there are infinitely more Beduin (Berber) in Morrocco then there has ever been in Palestine/Israel.
You claim there must an ancient non-Jewish Palestinian people because there are ancient maps showing an area called Palestinia. I claim there must be an ancient Pannonian people because there are ancient maps showing an area called Pannonia. So, where is the Pannonian people? I can't comment on something that doesn't exist.
You have no right to insult me. Change your attitude. The Berbers are not Bedouins. They're the indigenous people of North Africa. They're not Arabs.
All of them were Jewish, talking hebrew. having the same history. Now the invading Arabs, have no unique language, have no shared unique history, they are parts of the Arab empire that colonized the levant. And then for the lack of history understanding when they want to pretend to be a nation, they call themselfs 'invaders'. How appropriate.
No where did I claim that the people who lived in Palestinia were all non-Jewish. Some of the Palestinian ancestors of the current Palestines who lived in Palestinia converted to Islam from Judaism. Which bit do you refuse to understand?
You prove that those Muslim Palestinians just appeared out of fresh air at the same time that the local population disappeared
Muslims were invaders themselves and you are not really going to use "ancient land" on Jews are you ?
I seriously wonder what Trump has to do with it ... because in reality he adorns himself again with others laurels! Anyway ... this development is really interesting in the whole context and it has little to do with Israel and the Palestinians, the latter being the losers of it all. All the Arab Gulf States and Saudi Arabia themselves are Sunites and, as is well known, there is more and more bangs between them and Iran = Shia in the entire ME. It has been proven that IS has already been supported from the Gulf States, which kills all Shiites as subhumans and unbelievers that it can get hold of. Whether the support is "private", "state" or "state innofiziell tolerated" I leave open. As is well known, Israel has been the enemy of the mullahs in Iran from the beginning ... to me it smells badly like a building up "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" issue here! The Saudi side had already unofficially thought out loud about granting the Israeli air force a right of overflight in the case of the case, which fits into the picture. Something is slowly brewing badly and serious here ... Sunni vsw. Shia; Israel vs. Palestinians but with new Arab friends; an Iran which itself and with the help of Hezbollah in Lebanon aggressively pursues its interests in the ME; USA with own interests due to oil and being enemy of Oran too ... and then a stupid Erdogan in Turkey who dreams of a new Ottoman Empire
I guess what he means is the Islamic expansion in the 7th and 8th centuries, which also passed through "Palestine" at that time. The basic problem here, however, is this "that was us" thinking that also arises in completely different things and areas. It is correct that today's Palestine was once a Jewish kingdom in ancient times etc. (without going into too much detail now). It was only in the 1st century that the Jews had messed with the wrong person and started a war - the Roman Empire. Since then there has not been a Jewish state there, it became a Roman province = Roman state territory ... before it became Islamic around 500 years later! Many Jews who were not killed fled voluntarily or had to emigrate and since then the Jews have been spread across Europe. What is called Palestine had various owners until 1948. A for saying and reasoning that it was Jewish land almost 2,000 years ago is ridiculous and dangerous too! Whoever starts with it opens Pandorra's box! You just have to look around in history who and what all on this planet was conquered by whom and / or was part of someone else at some point to see that such a reasoning of claims from it, is dangerous and, above all, absurd!
Arab Muslims, the "Palestinian" part simply refers to the part of the world they lived in and thru history had different names like Judea. I think like 633 AD ?
I agree with this reasoning, IMO we should deal with the situation today and not it could have been 50 or 70 or 100 years ago.
There is also a more optimistic way to look at it, if this agreement actually happens then it might open the Israeli minds that the whole Arab world is not really after them and to the Arabs that the greater Israel nonsense is just that, from there who knows but reduce the tensions is a positive first step.
Right, but at that time Palestine was just a province of the Byzantine Empire (ex East Rome) like e.g. Andalusia is part of Spain today ... and not any sort of a Jewish state or with a majority of Jewish population. It was conquered by the Arabs iwho were Muslim in a war. It is true that the Muslims also had what is called "religious proselytizing" ... but as a glance at the Koran proves, Christians and Jews were not regarded as unbelievers in this regard. But of course Islam spread then in Palestine too as elsewhere in the region.
