Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  3. Its complicated.

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  1. ArchStanton

    ArchStanton Banned

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    BS. You can skip to the 13:15 mark in this video interview of a Confederate veteran and learn all the history you need to know. FYI, it doesn't fit your faux history narrative.

     
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    Nonsense!

    The recently passed Corwin Amendment ensured that the institution of slavery was not endangered.

    Additionally, Lincoln made it clear that he had no "inclination" to abolish slavery(1) so there were other reasons that the South chose to free itself from an unjust union.



    (1) “Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People”
    https://atlantablackstar.com/2015/0...s-quotes-abraham-lincoln-said-black-people/4/

    EXCERPT “While the previous quotes prove that, politically, Lincoln was not firmly insistent on freeing the slaves of the South, his following quote reveals that he personally did not want to: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” CONTINUED
     
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    Leftists still don't live up to it do they?
     
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    This has been explained to you. The PRETEXT was slavery. OMG. Read the thread for crying out loud.
     
  5. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that akin to conspiring with others to start a fire, then manning the hoses to put it out, while blaming your former co-conspirators? I'm not faulting America, but rather the exclusivity of your judgment.
     
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    I don't think it was for the right to own black people. It was economics. It may as well have been for the right to own modern farm equipment. The problem resides in their not recognizing or acknowledging their fellow man as humans with a sense of dignity.
     
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    Like a said, rich slave owners were trying to protect their investments. And states were not prohibited from banning slavery. The federal government was banned from limiting states from practicing slavery.

    The soldiers and non-slave owners were not dying to keep other people slaves.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    If that is your point then what flag flew over slavery during it's entire existence in the United States even AFTER the Civil War? What flag flew over Jim Crowe? What flag was a favorite of the KKK?

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    Let's ban the Stars and Stripes. And with all due respect what you mind in your own little mind is of no concern to Southerns any more than you care what is on our minds and what we mind about you.
     
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    So now you equate the South with Nazi Germany, and we're supposed to be dictated to by what you mind or not? That's a pretty high pedestal you like to put yourself on isn't it.
     
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    The fought defending themselves from an invading army hellbent on the total destruction of their homes, their farms, their businesses, their churches, their roads and railroads, their ports and their lives. And BTW the country of that invading army where slavery was legal.
     
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    Pretty amazing. Thanks for sharing that.
     
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    No. Secession regarding slavery was for economic reasons, not because they wanted to subjugate their fellow man. That would be stupid. It was all about cheap labor. And the rest of the picture involved states rights, pride, self determination, and simply getting swept up into the conflict. Everyones story was a little different. For instance, Robert E Lee finished at the top of his class at West Point and turned down Lincolns offer to General the Union forces simply because he couldn't in good conscience go to war against his fellow Virginians. He supported neither slavery nor secession. Though he practiced both according to the timing of his birth and life.
     
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    I didn't know that. Good point.
     
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    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

    Georgia
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    All these classes saw this and felt it and cast about for new allies. The anti-slavery sentiment of the North offered the best chance for success. An anti-slavery party must necessarily look to the North alone for support, but a united North was now strong enough to control the Government in all of its departments, and a sectional party was therefore determined upon. Time and issues upon slavery were necessary to its completion and final triumph. The feeling of anti-slavery, which it was well known was very general among the people of the North, had been long dormant or passive; it needed only a question to arouse it into aggressive activity. This question was before us. We had acquired a large territory by successful war with Mexico; Congress had to govern it; how, in relation to slavery, was the question then demanding solution. This state of facts gave form and shape to the anti-slavery sentiment throughout the North and the conflict began. Northern anti-slavery men of all parties asserted the right to exclude slavery from the territory by Congressional legislation and demanded the prompt and efficient exercise of this power to that end. This insulting and unconstitutional demand was met with great moderation and firmness by the South.

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    Slavery was an issue for all the seceeding States.

    That's the historical narrative.
     
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    Georgia...
    All these classes saw this and felt it and cast about for new allies. The anti-slavery sentiment of the North offered the best chance for success. An anti-slavery party must necessarily look to the North alone for support, but a united North was now strong enough to control the Government in all of its departments, and a sectional party was therefore determined upon. Time and issues upon slavery were necessary to its completion and final triumph. The feeling of anti-slavery, which it was well known was very general among the people of the North, had been long dormant or passive; it needed only a question to arouse it into aggressive activity. This question was before us. We had acquired a large territory by successful war with Mexico; Congress had to govern it; how, in relation to slavery, was the question then demanding solution. This state of facts gave form and shape to the anti-slavery sentiment throughout the North and the conflict began. Northern anti-slavery men of all parties asserted the right to exclude slavery from the territory by Congressional legislation and demanded the prompt and efficient exercise of this power to that end. This insulting and unconstitutional demand was met with great moderation and firmness by the South.
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    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
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    Slavery was a big issue for all seceeding States.
     
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    LOL. The south is still trying to fight to keep the traitors of the civil war memorials and flag alive.
    They certainly don't live up to the constitution.
     
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    Georgia ...
    Our Northern confederates, after a full and calm hearing of all the facts, after a fair warning of our purpose not to submit to the rule of the authors of all these wrongs and injuries, have by a large majority committed the Government of the United States into their hands. The people of Georgia, after an equally full and fair and deliberate hearing of the case, have declared with equal firmness that they shall not rule over them. A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party.
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    https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

    Slavery was an issue for all the seceeding states.
     
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    Exclusivity?
     
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    Hello Hello, McFly, slavery was LEGAL. Your beloved Supreme Court said so BEFORE the Civil War with the Dred Scott case.

    And another thing, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the Southern States. Those slave-lovin Northerners still abided by Dred Scott.
     
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    Hello Hello, McFly, slavery was LEGAL. Your beloved Supreme Court said so BEFORE the Civil War with the Dred Scott case.

    And another thing, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the Southern States. Those slave-lovin Northerners still abided by Dred Scott.
     
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    It was a political excuse. If slavery were so bad, maybe you can explain to yourself how come you embrace it in your personal life. The Dems say a majority buy the Dems B.S. which IS slavery. They just put a little lipstick on a pig and went with it.

    From your source: "by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic"

    Read the Declaration of Independence. States have a Right to separate from a government that endangers their interests and safety. We fought a war before the War of Northern Aggression aka Civil War to establish that Right.
     
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    talk about White Privilege.
     
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    sorry, but the Cornerstone Speech by the Vice-President of the Confederacy made it VERY clear the basis and foundation of The South seceding: to preserve and maintain white supremacy over black people.
     
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    I don't believe you. It stands to reason that people don't go to war, risking life, peace, and prosperity, just to keep other people in chains.
     
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    Hello, hello.
    So what if it was legal. Doesn't mean it was a good thing.
    That's why it was going to be stopped. And why South went to war to keep it legal. They betrayed the Union. They became traitors.
     

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