The BLM Movement is a Lie

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  1. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Disagree. As long as the system is operated by people, the motives behind one's actions are not readily available with crime statistics. Again, they can be shown to support the case that systemic racism exists.

    No argument here, but the law can only do so much. A change of attitude is needed. Unity involves conversation and compromise. Both sides need to listen and be willing to work together. The vast majority of people support BLM's message, so that's a good starting point. BLM isn't going away, but if you want to make them irrelevant you need to listen to the black community.

    You lost me here. Sounds like white rage.
     
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  2. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Who is they? And no, accepting 7 shots in the back in front of your children is not the point. It's the opposite of the point. When the killing of unarmed black people stops, the protests will stop. Simple.
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The entire BLM movement is based on a lie. If it were facts they were after, the movement would fall apart because it proves it's all a fraud.
     
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    BLM

    I know of nobody that accepts it. But the easiest way for black criminals to stop being shot is is to stop resisting arrest, threatening police and so on. Last year there were 9 unarmed blacks killed by police. That is in a universe of around 10 million arrests. Most, if not all, involved some bad behavior on the part of the victim. The same holds true for white criminals. 18 unarmed whites where also killed by police last year.

    So let's say the Kenosha police shooting had no bad behavior on the part of the victim and that the shooting was a racially motivated attempted murder. If that is the case, then the shooter would be prosecuted for the crime, likely convicted, and transported to a prison. But first there has to be an investigation and then a trial.

    The day of the shooting is not the time to riot. Nobody has the facts. There might be some meaning to a riot if the shooter was exonerated unfairly. There is none at all before that happens. Am I getting through at all?
     
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    I really don't think people have an issue with protests.

    Most people have an issue with uncontrolled violence, mayhem, damage to businesses, public property, the harming and killing of people, the use of terroristic actions against innocent people, and the treatment of people who had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

    These punks are doing more damage than good for their cause. They have become nothing but angry thugs and have alienated a large number of people with their actions.
     
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    Every four years the left has to scare the hell out of the colored communities and promise to make the problem go away if they could just get their vote. Then, on election night it’s “thanks dummies! See you again in four years.”
     
  7. ChiCowboy

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    I'm pretty sure most rational adults agree with this.

    It would be productive to begin a conversation here, but such a conversation must include a recognition of the peaceful protesters and their demands. Trying to lump everyone together as violent won't solve anything.

    Biden just condemned all the violence in an interview. He's claiming Trump is the one who wants violence. The ball is in Trump's court.
     
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    I haven't 'lumped everything together as violent'. Lets clear the board on that.

    Since the clarity of 'demands' has long since been lost, kindly iterate them for me. I am willing to civilly discuss this, but I expect the same in return.
     
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  9. TheImmortal

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    Motive for committing a crime Such as rape, murder or assault is irrelevant in regards to the proliferation of such behavior. Furthermore, there’s no way those statistics can be used to show systemic racism. Unless of course you hold the preposterous position that in a MASSIVE number of cases the victim is so racist he lies about his attacker, the police are so racist they find an innocent black guy to arrest. The prosecution and judges are so racist that they let a fraudulent case go through without evidence and the jury of the innocent black man is so racist they convict an innocent black man without evidence. And this couldn’t just happen once but had to happen hundreds of thousands of times in order to substantiate the grossly disproportionate level of violent crime they commit.

    Well most people did and always have agreed with the original message; that black peoples lives do matter. However, the message has morphed far past that now. And there doesn’t need to be a movement for the original point because as I said most people do and always have agreed that black lives do matter. Although their behavior recently may have changed a few opinions on that.

    Well when they’re violently assaulting whites at a 90% rate, there tends to be a little rage.

    But no what I’m referring to are those darn pesky facts. Our government EXPLICITLY and directly discriminates against whites and does NOT discriminate explicitly against blacks. I will prove it.

    Everyone knows affirmative action so I’ll just ignore that one.

    Our government provides tax credits for businesses that hire minority contractors but not for hiring white contractors. Essentially paying businesses to hire anyone except for white people.

    Our government provides grants and loans to minority farmers that white farmers aren’t allowed access to because of the color of their skin.

    our government through the SBA program 8a provides grants, loans and government contracts to minority businesses that whites can’t get access to because the color of their skin is white.

    Our government provides tax incentives to people who invest in minority owned businesses businesses but not for investing in white owned businesses. Essentially paying people to invest in any business except a white owned business.

    And I haven’t even BEGUN to talk about the PLETHORA of state and local programs that benefit minorities at the exclusion of whites such as NY setting aside $1.5BILLION in taxpayer funds for minority business owners that whites cant get access to because their skin color is white.

    I challenge you to name even ONE government program or policy that is even REMOTELY as racist and discriminatory as any of those programs against blacks in place today.
     
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    No worries, November's coming.
     
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    The whole criminal justice system.
    Oh yeah by the way, white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action
     
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    The criminal justice system does not discriminate against blacks. That’s patently absurd and not justifiable in ANY way.

    And all you just stated was that affirmative action is not only racist but it’s sexist too. Both unconstitutional.
     
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    I should have been clearer. I didn't mean you personally. I'm talking about Trump. The rhetoric coming from the WH does not even recognize the protesters.
     
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    Here's some interesting reading for you
    https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/06/65585/
     
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    I personally don't give a damn what the White House does. That wasn't the basis of discussion.

    Do you or do you not want to civilly discuss what 'demands' the protestors have put forth, and how we, as a country, can assist in bringing society level regardless of race, creed or skin color?
     
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    I guess all their rioting and looting will teach us about peace and equality
     
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    I see a huge contradiction is asking what we, as a country can do, while simultaneously stating you don't care what the administration does.

    I care what the POTUS does. So do many others. Saying you don't care is an admission that leadership isn't a quality you expect from a POTUS. I feel differently.

    Why you're asking me to articulate BLM's demands is puzzling. I'm not a member of BLM. I'm sure you can discuss this with them, which would be the sensible and productive thing to do.
     
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    What has Trump been doing about the racial unrest in our country ?

    This has been going on for months yet no action from the White House.

    Since Trump has been elected ................. He has ran for re election..........

    Not stopped the Virus which has killed 180,000 Americans

    Trump Lost the Great Economy he was handed .............. 1.2 million lost their Jobs last week

    Unemployment over 10 %

    We hear Trump say " Only I can Fix it "

    Yet ............. Trump is the President ............. Who hasn't fixed it ............. only made it worst
     

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    Who makes the laws in this country? Hint: It's not the White House.

    The White House does not affect what I do, or what I say, or how I treat people. The White House doesn't affect what the majority of people do or say. It is an individual choice on how YOU, as a person, treat other people.

    You claimed that everybody was just focusing on the looters and rioters, and not paying attention to the protestors and their demands. So I was willing to discuss their demands with you, but first what those demands are need to be clarified.

    Your response is loud and clear. You don't know what their demands are. Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
     
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    The vast majority of the “discrimination” against blacks stems from the disproportionate level of violent crime that they commit. When you engage in such a disproportionate amount of violent crime, it is inevitable that you will have a disproportionate amount of adverse consequences as a result.
     
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    Which is complete BS since whites commit the MOST overall crime.
     
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    ... of course they do they make up 65% of the total population. Whereas blacks much up 13%
     
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    So is that your excuse? If you don't want to be the leader in overall crime, stop committing so much crime.
    Lol, dont hand me that disproportion BS excuse!!! Whites commit more overall crime !!!
     
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    Why is that? Biden told a lie. Trump has been decrying the violence since the Minneapolis riots. It is for Biden to apologize for his statement.
     
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    this is what white privilege and white supremacy is all about.

    comparing the illegal actions of a few black criminals today, to the LEGAL actions of millions of racist whites in the Deep South, decades ago.

    comparing whites not being able to get that extra spot into Harvard today, to blacks not being able to vote, go to school, get a job, get a loan, decades ago.
     
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