Rating Trump on his record, sleaze aside

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It is time we returned this government to limited spending.
    Fiscal conservative Newtie Gingrich​

    The cumulative national debt at the end of Obama/Biden's two popularly-elected terms was a whopping $19,573,444,713,936.

    Trump (who promised that he would reduce it to $0 in 8 years) has now driven it up to $26,666,767,780,000+ to date, and the unprecedented Trump debt continues to soar.

    U.S. unemployment had fallen to 4.7% by December, 2016 (from a high of 9.6% as the Bush/Cheney Great Recession was relentlessly overcome.)

    By July, 2020, it had risen to over 10%.

    The promises to revive coal mining? Re-energize steel manufacturing? Rebuild the nation’s infrastructure?

    They’re all buried somewhere under the promised tax returns, the commitment to “immediately” repeal ‘ObamaCare’ and replace it with “something terrific!” that “covers everybody!” at “less cost!” and, of course, that repeated vow to build a big beautiful. 2,000 mile wall of concrete and re-bar and make Mexico pay for it.

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    When a President's most noteworthy achievement that will grace the history books is that he got his big, flabby arse impeached by a failed attempt to pressure a foreign power into smearing a political rival, he may want to get an early start on finding a suitable ghost writer to scrawl a frothy memoir.

    Intimate in Trump's immense journey, Steve Bannon, may have the time and the secrets - unless he plea bargains them away, of course.

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    "I guess Fixer won't be offering me
    any hush money now."
     
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    Bannon will not stay silent like Stone did because Bannon knows Trump has already abandoned him
     
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    Bam Bam torched his escape pod when he candidly admitted, regarding Trumpy Russia collaboration,

    "The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government
    inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor with no lawyers. Even if you thought that
    this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad sh¡t, and I happen to think it's all of that,
    you should have called the FBI immediately.”

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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Republicans seem understandably loathe to assess Trump based upon his record of fulfilling his campaign promises.
     
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    You can't blame Trump for all the China virus deaths caused by Democrat governors nor the jobs lost because of lock downs by Democrat governors.
     
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    Best in class of the last three Republican presidents. That includes two Bushes.
     
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    Mailbox-gate may impeach Trump
    Before the Nov election
     
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    We most certainly can. That was HIS plan, Federalism.

    It only took him from January to mid-March to figure a way to pass-the-buck, try to toss off responsibility. Though his plan was akin to a President telling Hawaii, “Pearl Harbor? That’s your problem.”

    Yeah, the incompetence of our virus response cost American’s their lives and livelihoods. Our country’s President—the person responsible— is Donald J. Trump.

    That’s what we get for electing someone President that’s not up to the job.
     
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    On the one hand democrats call Trump a dictator, on the other hand they condemn him because he recognizes the limits of his power and didn't do more than he is allowed to do as the President of the United States.

     
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    Well , sleaze aside, Trump has done as well as could be expected from one of his type, height, weight, race, gender, age, economic status, hair and eye color, family history, IQ,birthplace, region of the nation, and northern hemisphere half of the earth
     
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    You are kidding right? The GOP hold Trump accountable? In what universe? At WORST, *maybe* a sternly worded letter from Susan Collins, bbut probably not.
     
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    Wrong Monty Python skit

     
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    Sad to see people make jokes out of 180+ thousand covid-19 deaths to score obscene political points.
     
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    It is what it is.
     
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    Did you copy that from another source, or did you make that list of male bovine excrement yourself? All of it is explainable, and much of it has more to do with the Democrat Congress then the President.

    The Federal Budget starts with the Congress, and is only signed by the President. Yes, he has some impact on what it contains, but the final draft comes from them. You claim would be more accurate if the President was given the line item veto which Congress has not allowed. Then there is the whole Pandemic cost including the Trillions of dollars stimulus programs. The DNC is currently blocking another multiple million dollar stimulus bill in order to get funding to bail out liberal states that have mismanaged their budgets. This includes bailouts for the New York City and Chicago pension funds. You know the one that gives retired employees 100% of their career ending paychecks with pay raises. So, that one is on Congress.

    Your claim that the Bush/Chaney rate of 9.9 is incorrect. It ignores that in November 2009 the US Unemployment rate was 10.0. I know, not much different, but when you consider that the current unemployment rate is only .2% higher then that, it is relevant. You also ignored that the unemployment rate was 3.5% until Feb this year. It has only grown because to the pandemic shutdown. So, if you want to blame someone, then blame the Chinese for giving the world the virus.

    The USMCA will cause a surge in the Mining and Steel industry when they can safely open after the pandemic. But it you remember, the Pelosi led Congress refused to vote on it for 6 months after it was finalized with Mexico's signature. Then a few months later the pandemic hit. So, give it time. This is another promise that the President will have kept.

    According to SCOTUS, the only way to repeal the ACA is for Congress to pass a resolution to repeal. But the Democrats want to "tweak" the failed program, or replace it with an insane program known at Medicare for all which is really Medicare for none. I have recently seen commercials touting a program called Medicare and Medicaid for all. Medicaid is a run by the states. The program would mandate that the states had to expand the Medicaid programs. Something the SCOTUS ruled the federal government could not do. So, again this one is in the hands of the Congress.

    President Trump was Impeached, but found not guilty not guilty of breaking no law and a Democrat false narrative. The articles of Impeachment were passed by only the Democrat Congress Members. This is after the very same Democrat Members said that a partisan Impeachment process should never happen. A transcript of the call showed that the President did ask the Newly elected President of Ukraine to look into the firing of the Prosecutor that was investigating the company that Biden's son was working for. He also asked them to find the server that was used to hack the DNC's emails. Yet, he never mentioned the Former VP or his son in the conversation. Further there was no implied threat to withhold funding until the investigation was conducted, because the newly elected President stated that he did not know about the funding. Additionally, the funds were transfered to Ukraine within a month of the timeframe that it had been slated for. Now, compare that the former VP going to Ukraine and flat out stating that if the Ukrainian President did not fire the prosecutor by the time his plane took off they would not see the $1 Billion that they had been promised. The former VP actually bragged about the action in a taped interview. So, this is another failed narrative.

    The President spoke out about Steve Bannon's efforts to fund and build a section of the border wall. After the section was built, the wall may well collapse because it was built too close to the Rio Grand River. The President also backed the arrest and indictment of Bannon. So, a final failed talking point.

    You know looking at this, nothing in your list is true. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
     
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    trump is a "one trick pony"

    similiar to the shock jock radio hosts and celebrities

    trump only accomplishment is he has been able to continue to use the same tactics since moving to Washington

    anytime a serious issue needs addressing he just does or says something insane to change the narrative
     
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    The budget process actually starts with the president. The president submits his fiscal year budget. This proposed budget is then reconciled between the House and Senate. The fact is that each and every year, Trump has submitted a budget that increases the national debt. This year was no different, and this was before the pandemic.

    • FY 2021 - $1.177 trillion projected in budget
    • FY 2020 - $1.181 trillion projected in budget
    • FY 2019 - $1.203 trillion
    • FY 2018 - $1.271 trillion

    Trump most certainly did ask the Ukraine president to investigate Biden.

    "The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

    Why would Ukraine find the server that hacked DNC emails? 3 firms found that Russia indeed hacked the emails, but yet Trump is using debunked conspiracy theories to strong arm another country into investigating something that he knows is false. The republican controlled senate in their final report says Russia interfered in the election.

    Biden wasn't acting on his on behalf and threatening ti withhold money from Ukraine. This act was reflecting U.S. foreign policy and had the support of western countries.

    "During Shokin’s 13 months in office, not one major figure was convicted. No oligarch. No politician. No ranking bureaucrat."

     
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    Your statement on the budget is only partially true. The President puts together a wish list, and the Congress puts together a competing budget. They then attempt to get together and employ a process of reconciliation. If the two sides can not come to an agreement, as happened in 2018 and 2019, then the Congress can send the budget that they want to the President who will veto it. As in 2018 and 2019, the failure to reconcile the budget resulted in Federal Government shutdowns. Often, short term extensions are used to hold off shutdowns. So, while the President has a hand in the process, it is the Congress that actually writes the budget.

    I stand corrected about the President mentioning Biden and his son. But there was still no quid pro quo because the Ukrainian President said that he had no knowledge of the funds at the time of the call, and President Trump never mentioned the funds in the call.

    One of the companies that claimed that Fancy Bear were behind the DNC hack was called Crowdstrike. Apparently, there is or was intel that states that the Crowdstrike server was sent to Ukraine. Russia has issued a counter claim that it was Crowdstrike, and not fancy bear, that hacked the DNC server. We would know for sure who was the hackers if the DNC would have allowed the FBI access to the server. But that did not happen. The fact that the Crowdstrike server is no longer in the US makes the situation highly questionable. The DOJ needs access to the server to see if (a) they were behind the hack, or (b) what the company based their claim that fancy bear was the hackers. No actions can be taken by the US until they have the facts. Those facts are resting on the server.

    Let me see if I have this correct. Biden was not acting alone when he issued his quid pro quo statement to Shokin. Are you saying that Obama directed Biden to threaten to withhold funds from Ukraine if the prosecutor was not fired? Foreign policy is directed by the President and not by the VP. So, unless the Obama directed Biden to make the quid pro quo statement, then your statement is completely false. If you have proof that Obama did direct Biden, then provide it. Then we can start drawing up articles of Impeachment on Obama. He would actually more guilty then what the DNC claimed Trump was. Their claim against Trump is based on an implied action, and Obama would actually be guilty of an overt action. If Obama did not direct Biden, then Biden was working on his own.

    Yes, Shokin was corrupt, but then so is the owner of Burisma Holdings, Zlochevsky was is a former cabinet member that controlled natural resources within the country. While in that position, he directed contracts to his own company. But that has nothing to do with anything.
     
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    Crowdsource copied the data on the servers for the FBI, so they did have access to the same data. Where are you getting this idea that the server is in Ukraine? Crowdsource is based in California. There is zero evidence to even suggest the servers are in Ukraine except for the lies from Trump who has offered nothing for evidence. The owner of the company isn't even from Ukraine.

    Big difference between Biden and Trump. The financial assistance that Biden threatened to freeze was a loan guarantee that was not signed into law. This means that Obama is free by law to withdraw his offer if he believes it will be misused by the corrupt entities, and he has the right to guarantee the loan on the condition that the prosecutor be fired. Trump withheld aid that was congressionally approved. Further, he illegally froze approved funds for his own political gain, not some endeavor to end corruption.

    Trump didn't overtly offer a quid pro quo. I agree, but withholding military funding to coerce another country into investigating your competition for political gain should have consequences.

    "The Defense Department’s Laura Cooper testified that Ukrainian officials started asking about it on July 25, which was the day of Trump’s phone call with the country’s new president when Trump first asked for “a favor.”

    Everyone knew at that point why the aid was being held up. Interesting though that all the people who testified were removed from the positions...
     
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    The democrats were so full of sour grapes by his win, they were calling for his impeachment and RESIST!-ing before the man was ever sworn in. Rather than try to pull him toward the center by working with him, they pushed him to the far right in order to unite his party in Congress. Who knows where we would be if they had been willing to give some, build some wall, etc. As someone who doesn't support either party, I don't see either side as having clean hands as to what has transpired over the last 3.5 years.
     

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