Yes the ancestors of the current Palestinian Muslims lived there thousands of years and some of those Jewish and non-Jewish ancestors of current Palestinian Muslims converted to Islam around 1500 years ago
If you write it in a book you could start a new religion, you drifted into faith, you know how many population transfers there were in those thousands of years ? can you check the validity and legal standing of those who immigrated to say that the Jewish one in modern time was any different ?
Israel has been around for quite a while now and it has nukes so it’s not going to be dislodged. It’s a tiny sliver of land that at times is about 30 miles wide. Why on earth is it an OCD for it’s neighboring Muslim States??
No. Many in the "East European" diaspora were not circumcised. No, not all of the Jews are talking Hebrew. If you are a sabra then you should know this very well. No, not all Jews have the same history. Are you just pretending to know more than you actually know? What "invading Arabs" are you talking about? You are wrong ..... Arabic is the unifying language of the Arabs. I think that you are only making a lot of nonsense.
Westerners felt sorry for the Jews because of the pogroms and the holocaust, etc. So the Jews got their own country to show that they deserved to have a fundamentally Jewish nation. It was a good idea. But they screwed up horribly and Israel is today a racist, islamophobic, Fascists state. I think they should give the land back to the Palestinians and let them a chance this time.
I didn't mean they took it from the Jews, the Roman empire pretty much ended the Jewish kingdom and its religious center, thing is no one can say what ancestor holds the one true deed to the land, ppl move around....a lot in thousands of years.
Sure... Y'know the same goes to Europe, it went to **** since they murdered their Jews, you set things strait in Europe and I'll handle things here, then we'll do South America together and kick those Spaniards away
Iran - and now Turkey - have managed to do the impossible: get Israel and Arab countries closer together. We have that monstrous regime of Iran to thank for the most distorted version of Middle Eastern reality imaginable. Instead of being friends with the civilized nations of the region - Iran and Turkey - we have to navigate our way through very difficult diplomatic straits between various Arab dictatorships, Palestinians, the US, Russia, and China. Not that having friendly relationships with Arab countries is bad, it's just that the reason for being friendly is a bit scary. Plus we could find ourselves fighting on the same side as al Qaeda, or ISIS...more than a bit scary... Let's hope Iran and Turkey will back off in the face of a united Middle East. Palestinians are not the losers in this scenario. The Palestinian leadership is the big loser, which is a good thing, because now there's a chance the people will finally depose the senile mummies in favor of politicians who actually care about their citizens.
All the people you quoted were. End of story. All the Jews all over the world knew Hebrew, could speak Hebrew. Most of them knew how to read Hebrew while the Muslims and Christians around them did not know how to read their native languages. This went on for 2000 years All the Jews read the bible (old testament in Christian terms), knew it and considered it their history. Arabs comes from Arabia. The countries who speak Arabic today used to have many different languages. Those languages went extinct by the Arab empire conquests and the locals were forced to speak Arabic. In that respect the Arab empire was not so different than other colonial empires like Spain, Portugal, France and England. Just like the natives in Brazil did not speak Portuguese before, the natives in Judea did not speak Arabic. That is what colonial forces do to you, whether you want it or not.
BULL ............SHYT. I say, Bull Shyt. "All the Jews all over the world" do not "know Hebrew", they do not "speak Hebrew". Reciting the prayers in Hebrew is NOT "knowing" or "speaking" a language. I was raised a Catholic and I was an "altar boy" which means I could recite certain prayers in Latin but that that does NOT mean that I know Latin or speak Latin. Oh My G_D! This is NOT "history". You think the Jews of Russia have the same "history" as the Jews from Bolivia just because they are Jews? Do you think Vietnamese Catholics have the same "history" as Catholics from Peru? You don't understand the difference between the torah/bible/koran ...... and history. So finally you admit that you are wrong about Arabs not having the same language.
I see, you think that you know what it means to be a Jew, because you were an 'altar boy'. Guess what, Jews learned to read and write Hebrew since they were 3 years old during the dark ages, when all the adult christian population were illiterate but a small elite. If you had leaned to read and write Latin from age 3 till 18 you would have known Latin. BTW the Jews also leaned Aramaic to some extent and most of them could read it as well. Again you think being a Jew is like being Catholic. Nothing of the sort. For a Jew, the old testament is a living document representing his history, whether he lives in Vietnam or Peru. Every Jew fast every year in the same day to commemorate the destruction of Jerusalem 2000 years ago. Every Jew celebrate every year, not eating bread for a week and much more to remember the hard time in Egypt 3.5 thousand years ago. Every Jew fast a day to remember a assassination of a governor of Judah 2500 years ago. Every groom in his wedding beaks a glass to remember the destruction of Jerusalem 2000 years ago, and 2500 years ago. The other way around. I said the Arabic language that is spoken today, is the conqueror language forced on many different nations in the past. And I pointed to the fact that those who call themselves 'Palestinians' speak Arabic and have no distinction of a unique nation. There were other real people in Israel who actually kept their unique language: the Jews and the Samaritans.
No. I think that I know what it means to be a Jew because I studied Judaism and was thinking about converting to be a Jew myself. I changed my mind. No. I think being a Jew is like being a Jew. If you are not going to be honest there is no reason for me to continue having a dialogue with you.
how the **** would you know such a thing? did you pull down all their pants in 1920 and check??? LOL!!!!!!!!
And in what context, do you think? You read my post (per your insinuation) and you saw the attachment (that I included) but ........ the message went passed your head? I can guess that you are much too young to remember or perhaps you weren't born yet but when the USSR was closed down for business there was a rush for Soviet Jews to make good the Zionist dream and it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the majority of them were NOT CIRCUMSIZED. The brit milah was then administered in Israel. In fact, I was in Israel during that time and I met one Russian Jew (in his 20's) who'd just been circumcised that day and was experiencing discomfort. And what does 1920 have to do with it? It looks as though much of this sub-topic has gone passed your head. "Pulling down all their pants" wasn't necessary but hey, if you're from Missoura then you can believe what you want. So just carry on with your stick.
We have to thank Obama for this peace. It is called Bilam Syndrom: You come to harm and it turns up good. Obama discarded USA friends in the middle east for its big enemy Iran. The arab countries around Iran, found out there is no more US to protect them against Iran hostility, looked around for help and turned to Iran's biggest enemy in the area Israel. So Obama is responsible fot this peace, not because he wanted to, but because he created the situation, it became requred.
Oh, I see! So you are indignant because I (as a European) am criticizing Israel's Zionist-Nazi practises and you think maybe that European subjects such as Germany's "Holocaust" of the Jews, Italy's WW II Fascist movement, Yugoslavia's "Ethnic cleansing" of the Muslims, Stalin's purges of just about everything ..... are not being discussed enough for your taste ... and you think I have no business talking about Israel ... because I am European. Can that really be what is upsetting you?
The so called "Palestinians" are Bedouins which illegaly entered to holy land from Egypt, Syria and other Muslim countries. "Palestinians" is an invention created by the terrorist Yasser Araffat , the son of 1000 ...
false. Most Palestinians are not nomadic Bedouins. if they were, they wouldnt have soo many cities, towns and villages
Their great leader Arafat was Egyptian, born and raised there. Their current leader Abbas is a Jordanian citizen. Many of them flocked Israel as the Jews started to make that land livable. Checkout the British mandate documents debating how to deal with the large influx of Arab Immigration to the land. Checkout the Turkish Survey of 1905 in Jerusalem, there were more Jews in Jerusalem than were Muslims or Christians.
I wasn't upset when I wrote that I was amused that you use your crystal ball on a selected group of ppl and to them alone you use the gem of time travel, You can critic Israel policies as you wish I never suggested otherwise (I do that all the time here), the creation of Israel however is not "critic of its policies" - it's just you telling me I shouldn't exist - nothing practical but an insult - and that's a bit more personal.
I wanted to update the members of the forum that in recent days I have watched on TV the warm welcome that Dubai residents did to guests from Israel. Well done . There is inspiring cooperation between the 2 states even though the Palestinians oppose a peace agreement due to their much stupidity.
