Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’ President repeatedly disparaged war dead

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  1. ChiCowboy

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    Confidential sources have always been used in investigative journalism. One such source took down a president. We didn't learn his name for decades. Dismissing the sources out of hand is a sure sign of panic. Innocent people don't panic. They explain themselves.

    Using only common sense we can see this story is true. It comports with Trump's behavior and past statements. It does have names connected to it. The most important being the author. Jeffrey Goldberg didn't become the editor of the Atlantic by making things up. And Gen. Kelly, though he doesn't support Trump, can provide clarity by telling us whether Goldberg is lying or not. I haven't heard anything from him. Somebody should ask.
     
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    In point of fact, the opposite of your statement is true.

    Most acts of domestic terrorism are conducted by extreme right wing groups.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/us-far-right-violence-terrorist-threat-analysis
    A June 2020 study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) reported that over 25 years of domestic terrorism incidents, the majority of attacks and plots had come from far-right attackers. The trend had accelerated in recent years, with this sector responsible for about 66% of attacks and plots in 2019, and 90% of those in 2020. The next most potentially dangerous group was “religious extremists”, the majority “Salafi jihadists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaida”, while the number planned by the far left had reduced to a minute fraction since the mid 2000s

    The gap between the rich and poor really accelerated under Reagan and the neoliberal policies of the right since neoliberalism has taken hold ( lowering taxes on the superrich ) , and to a lesser extent, the left.
    Right or Left isn't the actual debate, it's neoliberalism vs liberalism. But the right has embraced neoliberalism far more than the left has.

    https://medium.com/of-course-global/how-neoliberalism-has-caused-income-inequality-9ec1fcaacb
    https://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/working_papers/working_papers_301-350/WP302.pdf

    We haven't seen a progressive candidate in history with one exception, FDR.

    all others since Reagan have been neoliberal, but the right more neoliberal than the left.

    The only time in history we had a budget surplus, a Democrat was president.

    The two major economic crashes, 1929 and 2008, a Republican was president

    Historically Speaking, per the government's "Joint Economic Committee" report, the economy and private sector job growth have done better under democratic presidents
    https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_...ratic-vs.-republican-presidents-june-2016.pdf

    Historically speaking, stock gains have performed better under Democratic Presidents
    https://markets.businessinsider.com...er-performance-economy-gdp-2020-8-1029528932#
    https://www.ft.com/content/38829e98-5180-11ea-a1ef-da1721a0541e
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/briand...al-parties-and-the-stock-market/#63425d4863e3

    10 of the last 11 recessions, a republican was president
    repub-recessions.jpg


    As for violence and anger, find a democrat that sounds like this:


    In other words, you are wrong, very wrong.
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Jeffrey Goldberg supported the Iraq war. He's a huge supporter of Israel. Not exactly "the left."

    It's not fake news. It's sad.
     
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    Its fake. Totally fake - demonstrably and provably fake because of the record of actual events. What is sad is liberal types literally resorting to outright lies and fabrications because they are bereft of ideas or policies. What is even sadder are the people who take to the internet to propagate the lies.
     
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    You can't blame someone for not joining if they got a high lottery during viet nam, it was not a popular war, and I was 19 at the time, but you can blame someone if they faked bone spurs to get out and wanted to become president, which a rich guy with the help of rich dad can easily find a corrupt doctor and pay him enough but a poor man cannot.

    I got out on the lottery, too, I was 1A, and I did nothing to change my classification from March until December ( lottery held in December) I didn't enroll in college just to get out, or fake some medical condition, like a lot of dudes did, I just took my chances and got lucky. but I wound up joining anyway, 10 years later.

    I entered the draft in March of '69 because that is when I turned 18.
    THe lottery came in December of '69 and I my lottery number was 209, and they only drafted up to numbers 195, so I got lucky. .
    Clinton is now 74, so he had to have entered the draft much sooner
    than the lottery was introduced. So, how did he avoid getting drafted for four years? Probably due to a college or law school deferment, then when the lottery came, while still being on deferment, he got lucky.

    I did not do that, I was exposed and draftable, from March to December of 69 without any deferment.
     
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    He got numerous deferments prior to getting the high number including one very shady one because he joined the national guard and ten resigned after he got his high number.
     
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    It's absolutely true, every word of it. Noting that Trump is on record of doing the very things expanded upon in the article.
     
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    In Marla Maples prenup agreement, it states that if Tiffany joined the military, alimony child support will be terminated.
    That fact is documented.
    https://www.newsweek.com/tiffany-tr...-donald-if-she-joined-military-prenup-1442203

    So, given the above fact, given that Mary Trump as asserted that Trump threatened to disown DTjr if he joined the army, given the record of Trump disparaging McCain for being 'captured' and disparaging a Gold Star family ( Kahn ) Given that the Atlantic story is now confirmed by AP, ........

    every word in the Atlantic article is consistent with his publicly known behavior.

    McCain is a gentleman and an honorable man, not the kind of person who holds grudge, he's a far better man than Trump.

    And, during the video, Trump did call him a loser. That fact is undeniable.

    The president also donated to Hillary, but he wanted her locked up and tried to find out from McGahn on how to do it. He gives purely for political advantage reasons, quid pro quo expectations and he's publicly stated it. Trump NEVER donates to anyone because 'he likes them', so that's not proof countering his anti-military behavior.
     
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    I think the only thing that is true here is that TDS is very real and probably needs to examined by some abnormal psychology professors. I'm telling you there are awards to be won.
     
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    He called McCain a loser because he lost the election. He said McCain wasn't a hero because he got captured. Trump likes people that don't get captured, okay. What an arrogant disrespectful pile of dung. There's nothing "correct" about Trump's disrespect. I served as well. Voted for McCain, in big part, because of his service. Because he is a hero.

    Trump is a moron. John McCain isn't a hero because he got shot down. He's a hero because he endured five years of torture and never broke. He then returned home and continued to serve his state and country. That's why he's a hero. How long do you think Trump would have survived in an NVA POW camp? We can use milliseconds.
     
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    Biden said he believed whites are superior to blacks. He is happy folks think Kamala is black that way he does not need to pick an actual black person as his VP.
     
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    His father disowned his older brother for joining the Coast Guard.

    This is a family of grifters, users, cheaters. Trump's children are no different.
     
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    I'm reading "Hoax." Very enlightening on Trump's relationship with Fox News.
     
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    ROFLMAO! Trumplethinskin! Perfect. Humping the flag, good one!

    :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

    Hump the flag, then tear gas protesters for a photo op of himself holding a bible. Does anyone on this forum actually believe that Trump is a Christian?
     
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    Fake news and lies. Trying to validate an inflammatory headline in front of an election. Pretty obvious.....
     
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    the video is there....why do you make things up?
     
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    Most likely this is in the same category as the Charlottesville hoax, formulated and promulgated by MSM journos with TDS:

    President Trump’s actual words, that is, the sentence that the TDS journos leave out:

    “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

    Old Joe just repeated the TDS Charlottesville hoax again within the last few days.

    The only thing biting on this kind of thing is trash fish throwbacks, hardened BLM, and hardened Antifa.
     
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    Whataboutism. Clinton may have avoided service like a coward, but he never said anything remotely negative about our military.
     
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    how sick is it that you all go look at custody papers?

    and so what? his ex wife didn’t want her to join?
     
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    Does he still? Even after Trump's remarks?
     
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    really? maybe you don’t know your party
     
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    He sues al the time when someone uses his own words and deeds. He just loses often.
     
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    Tillerson was right.
     
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    Really? Ridiculous inanities? Is that all you have?

    Can you truly defend Trump on this?
     
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    Sure he can. Trump supporyers do it all the time. Their favorite excuse seems to be "He was kidding!"
     
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