Trump accused of describing war dead as 'losers' and 'suckers.' He denies allegations.

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  1. NightOwl

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    Im pretty sure they are out of viable options at this point.
     
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    Liberal media has become The Onion.
     
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    So you have nothing specific.


    For below see this link


    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/wild-donald-trump-quotes/18/

    Here is a quote by Trump that I often mention. Trump says about MCain..." He is not a hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured" That was in 2015..
    That is a most disgusting thing to say about a Vietnam veteran and POW especially by guy who never served.

    Ok now go and proove that I told a "lie".
     
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    Because these Trump-haters WANT to believe.
     
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    why is that disgusting? It's true McCain was called a war hero because he was a POW
     
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    There are three reasons that I don't believe the Atlantic article.

    1. One has to ask themselves what reason would the Atlantic have to publish a fake article about Trump. I have that answer.


    ARTICLE EXCERPT:
    Biden Megadonor Owns The Atlantic, Reportedly Communicates Often With Journalist Behind Anonymously-Sourced Trump Bombshell
    "The Atlantic’s majority owner has donated over $1.2 million to Democratic candidates and political committees since 2019 while reportedly keeping in close contact with the magazine’s editor-in-chief, who published an anonymously-sourced story Thursday alleging that President Donald Trump denigrated fallen American soldiers.

    Billionaire philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs, the widow of former Apple CEO Steve Jobs, obtained a 70% stake in The Atlantic in 2017 through her firm, the Emerson Collective. In November, she further solidified her control over the magazine after its longtime chairman, David Bradley, said he was going to step away from management, according to Politico.

    Politico noted in its report that Powell Jobs communicates often with The Atlantic’s editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg.

    Powell Jobs contributed $2,800 to former Vice President Joe Biden’s primary campaign in October, and in June she divvied out an additional $610,600 to the Biden Victory Fund. She’s also provided maxed out donations to at least 66 other Democratic politicians since the start of 2019, all the while providing nothing to Republican candidates, according to Federal Election Commission records."

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/04/laurene-powell-jobs-jeffrey-goldberg-democrats/

    2. McCain's son is even questioning the veracity of the Atlantic.
    Ben Domenech. The comments about his twitter post say it all.


    "I'm confident I have better sources within this White House than
    @JeffreyGoldberg, and I expect that upon investigation his anonymously sourced story will live up to the quality we can expect from The Atlantic under his leadership."

    https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/1301698485159374865

    3. Trump and Bolton aren't friends. They can't stand each other and yet Bolton refutes claims made by that article in The Atlantic" This is an excerpt from the same publication that McCain's son in law writes for.


    ARTICLE EXCERPT:

    Trump-Hater John Bolton Debunks Anonymous Atlantic Hit Piece On Trump’s Veterans Record
    "Bolton’s book however, offered a different narrative of events falling in line with the official White House claims for the last-minute cancellation in France.
    The weather was bad, and Kelly and I spoke about whether to travel as planned to the Chateau-Thierry Belleau Wood monuments and nearby American Cemeteries, where many US World War I dead were buried,” Bolton wrote.

    The ousted Trump White House national security adviser also addressed The Atlantic’s anonymously sourced claims in an interview with Bloomberg, denying that he ever heard the any of the alleged remarks attributed to the president and said those quoted by the magazine ought to publicly go on record.

    “I didn’t hear him say those things,” Bolton told Bloomberg, though he added, “it’s certainly possible.”

    If Bolton however, who was a central figure on the president’s foreign trips overseas as the national security adviser before executing a personal vendetta following his turbulent White House exit, has called The Atlantic’s story false, perhaps it’s time the editor in chief re-evaluate its standards before publishing what could be entirely made up.
    After all, The Atlantic did just that in July when one writer was discovered by Federalist Senior Editor Chris Bedford fabricating a St. Louis shooting to offer evidence in support of defunding the police. The left-wing paper, owned by a Joe Biden megadonor that still employs Jemele Hill and all of the woke people who ousted Kevin Williamson for the crime of being pro-life, refused to correct the record for days even after it got caught."

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/0...atlantic-hit-piece-on-trumps-veterans-record/
     
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    See link

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/08/politics/trump-veterans-choice-paula-reid/index.html

    Here is another lie that Trump told many times. Trump claims that he got the Veterans Choice bill passed. That is a bald faced LIE. The Veterans Coice Bill was signed by Obama in August , 2014. Ok boys and girls when did Trump become POTUS .?? It was 2017.

    I was in my.second year at the VA in 2014 and had to go for training as to how we were to excercise the Veterans Choice Bill. The bill gave Vets a choice to use civilian e.g. community Docs and facilities under certain circumstances.

    What Trump signed in 2019 was the Mission Bill which was a tweaking on the Veterans Choice Bill. A good tweak but just a tweak and NOT the bill that Trump says he signed. I was there in 2019 when we rolled out the Mission Bill tweaking of the Veteran Choice Bill.

    Obama signed the Veterans Choice Bill not Trump.

    Trump lied not I.
     
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    The Federalist's Ben Domenech knocks Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg over Trump story

    Domenech is the husband of Meghan McCain and son-in-law of the late John McCain

    "I'm confident I have better sources within this White House than @JeffreyGoldberg, and I expect that upon investigation his anonymously sourced story will live up to the quality we can expect from The Atlantic under his leadership," Domenech tweeted Thursday evening.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/federalist-ben-domenech-atlantic-jeffrey-goldberg-trump-mccain


     
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    More disinformation about what Trump actually said

    https://www.defense.gov/Explore/New...ll-to-extend-veterans-choice-health-care-law/

    Honestly, I don't think you are a liar...as much as simply been given lies and misinformation

    Here is more Trump has made law for Vets: https://www.military.com/daily-news...ng-bills-president-trump-just-signed-law.html

    Trump has done more for Vets in 4 years then Biden has done in 50....face it,..if you vote for Biden, you aren't really a Vet
     
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    If read and understood what I wrote you would have know that I am correct and it appears it is you embarrassing yourself.
     
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    This thread is an anthology dedicated to the thought process of the prejudiced liberal mind.

    Trump called a specific person a loser for losing an election.

    Liberal: that means he thinks everyone I arbitrarily identify that person with is a loser!

    He thinks people who served in the military are losers
    He thinks people with cancer are losers
    He thinks old white men are losers (wait do I like old white men now?)
    He thinks Republicans are losers...hmm.. Maybe this Trump guy isn't so bad after all...
     
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    This article was a coordinated partisan attack using our service members as pawns for democrats sick and morally bereft lies. Below is a pretty good synopsis of what happened.

    The Atlantic published a story Thursday evening that claimed President Donald Trump called the fallen American soldiers in a World War I cemetery “suckers” and “losers” in 2018. The author, Jeffrey Goldberg, cited four anonymous sources.

    Nearly a dozen current and former Trump administration officials disputed the story. One, notably, was John Bolton, the former National Security Advisor who says he will not vote for Trump. “I was there,” he said, and “I didn’t hear that.”
    Other claims in the Atlantic story are refuted by documentary evidence. The article claims, for instance, that Trump refused to visit the cemetery because the rain would ruin his hair. Bolton’s tell-all book said otherwise; so do official documents.

    What is more interesting than the details of the story is how it was produced, and how it was rolled out. It has the appearance of a well-coordinated, well-executed campaign of disinformation, utilizing the full toolbox available to the Democratic Party.

    The article was published Thursday evening. By Friday morning, a left-wing group called Vote Vets had not only produced an ad based on the article, but had aired it on Morning Joe — MSNBC’s early-morning flagship news and opinion show.
    Meanwhile, the article spread across social media like a brush fire in a derecho. It trended at the top of Twitter; it was shared widely on Facebook, all without any of the “fact checks” that typically accompany disputed news reports on such platforms.

    The Biden campaign issued a statement Thursday night — “If the revelations in today’s Atlantic article are true” — and held a press call Friday morning. The call featured, among others, Khizr Khan — the Gold Star father who attacked Trump in 2016.

    A short time later, Biden himself held a press briefing on the U.S. economy. Though he was expected to discuss the August jobs report — which came in better than expected, at 1.4 million jobs added — he led with an angry tirade about the article.

    At the end of his presentation, Biden turned to his campaign staff, who chose which reporters would be allowed to ask questions, and in what order. The first question went to Edward-Isaac Dovere, who writes for — surprise! — The Atlantic.

    Dovere asked: “When you hear these remarks — ‘suckers,’ ‘losers,’ recoiling from amputees — what does it tell you about president Trump’s soul, and the life he leads?” It was a setup for Biden to attack Trump over the Atlantic allegations again.

    None of the other questions asked were challenging in any way; all appeared to be setup questions for Biden to attack Trump or to clarify some lingering problem — whether he had been tested for coronavirus (yes), where his running mate was (busy).

    No one asked Biden whether it was appropriate to attack Trump based on an unconfirmed report. No one even asked Biden about his economic policies.

    What we witnessed Thursday night into Friday morning was the deployment of the Death Star — the full Democrat-media complex on display, coordinating journalists, outside political organizations, tech platforms, and unnamed military sources.

    It may be no coincidence that retired General Stanley McChrystal — who was fired, ironically, because he had disparaged President Barack Obama and Biden — now advises a firm using military technology to help Democrats produce propaganda.

    It took weapons-grade skill to produce a story that, while unprovable, had the ring of truth to those eager to believe it (it “resonates,” said NBC’s Peter Alexander, whether it was true or not) and to make it the dominant story of the news cycle — on a day when the jobs market rebounded and Trump brokered a historic deal between Israel and Muslim-majority Kosovo.

    Goldberg — the unofficial stenographer of the Obama White House — was just a vehicle. The real story is much bigger.

    The same machine that created and promoted the Atlantic piece will be sure to produce others.

    Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News
     
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    So Fox News is lying ?
     
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    Or an anthology to the Cult of Trump to defend it. Remember, this has be corroborated by Fox News......

    JFC. He called John McCain a “looser” for being caught by the VC. John McCain was literally a war hero for what he did in Vietnam. That “specific person” WAS a war hero. The identity and the actions IN THE WAR, were what Trump was addressing.

    The Cult of Trump: The comments he makes about a person who is a war hero, and his actions in that war is not symbolic of the war.

    He thinks everyone who isn't praying to HIM nightly is a looser.
     
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    Whew! Covid has been rough on you yeah?
     
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    your hate for the President has blinded your thoughts
     
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    That is why fox news is confirming it?
     
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    What flavor is the kool aid this week ? Cherry or Grape ?
     
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    My guess is grape, grapeape.
     
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    Ever since Trump trashed MCCain I have had zero respect for the guy.
    I take the belief position that if he has the Gaul to Trash MCCain for serving and getting shot down and captured, that it is more likely that Trump said what he is being accused of saying than not.

    I already proved that Trump lied about the Veterans Choice Bill

    There are more reports- Trump said that his time in a prep school level military themed school was going to military boot camp. No it was not.

    He said that avoiding getting STD's during Vietnam was like serving in Vietnam.

    I do not believe that he was stupid enough to say that WWII dead were suckers but given his Trash talk about MCCain I would not dispute his calling us Vietnam etc suckers or fools for serving.

    You have to take the total package of Trump's words and personal attacks are lies and once youbamalgmate them nothing he is accused of is beyond the reach of possibility.

    He passes on the conspiracy QAnon tweets that there is a Deep State group that helps mostly Democrats get kids for sex and canablism.
    If you see I said if you find that to be acceptable of Trump passing on those child sex and canablism tweets you cannot seriously accuse me of posting lies.

    The guys says lying crap about any and e erroneous he disagrees with or stands up to him.

    In North Carolina he technically told or you can say suggested that people vote absentee and in person. The NC AG had to issue a statement that doing so is against the law.

    If we did not have audio and video of him saying that I bet that certain people would claim the the MSM made it up.

    The MSM does not have enough immagination or time to make up crap about Trump nor do they have to because he puts it out there for all to see.
     
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    Fox news did not confirm it. They reported the article (attack.)
     
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    Here are articles where Trump compared highschool level military themed prep school to the military and even said that he got more training there than the military provides.


    https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-attended-new-york-military-academy-2016-12

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/...is-schooling-to-military-service-in-book.html


    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-military-training-quote/

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-military-service-213392

    Trump says outlandish crap and his cult believes it and wants us to believe it.
     
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    As I pointed out already Donnie lied about the Veterans Choice Bill so why should we believe him now?

    He did not just lie one time he lied a multiple of times about signing the Veterans Choice so he cannot claim he made an innocent error.
     
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    What are the confirming?
     
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