Trump accused of describing war dead as 'losers' and 'suckers.' He denies allegations.

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    Those numbers are Fake anyway but if it makes you feel better to score political points with the blood of dead Americans knock yourself out.

    That's a lousy excuse for not repealing an unconstitutional law. The ACA made millions of people lose their health insurance, their doctors and providers. I never hear democrats complaining about that for some reason. But the ACA has been just another fear campaign by democrats to scare up votes like the racebaiting race war they drum up every 4 years.
     
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    Apparently that is good enough for a Trump supporter. :spin:
     
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    Maybe because most Democrats already had qualifying plans instead of the garbage peddled in red states as health insurance.

    Not that I believe half of the anecdotal stories about losing plans posted anonymously online anyway.
     
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    Trump was right about the blind loyalty of his followers.
    He hasn't shot anybody yet on Fifth Avenue but he did the next best thing; attacking an American company (Goodyear Tires) because he didn't like their policy of politics on the work floor.

    Donald Trump directly undermining the American economy and STILL his followers forgive him.

    And now this about him calling dead American soldiers suckers and losers. Or so it is alleged he said.
    But you know what? Even if Trump was caught on camera saying that I don't think it would make any difference to his base.
    The loyalty of Trump supporters is not based on decency or moral values. Or even the economy.
    It's not a loyalty based on reality.

    It's a loyalty without hope.

    Trump voters have no belief in politics and that anything, for them, will ever change for the better in America.
    And Trump KNOWS IT, thus he says and does anything he wants.
    Including cheating through an election.

    And his followers will quickly forgive him.

    Because they just don't care.
     
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    Trumps personality is everything you layed out about McCain except on steroids lol
     
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    So clearly he said he is not a war hero.
     
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    His reasoning applies to nearly anyone who was captured then.

    That's just you applying what he said to nearly anyone who was captured.
     
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    If I wanted Biden to win you might have a point, but like normal — you don't.

    trump has made numerous remarks about dead soldiers, POW’s, and numerous other actions that have negatively impacted the troops.
    I know ‘orange man god‘ but it isn’t that difficult to ascertain if you are paying attention.
     
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    John McCain is one person. Being critical of John McCain is not being critical of everyone who has served.
     
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    Except there are half a dozen examples (documented) and many many more from sources that would have knowledge of that have nothing to do with McCain.
     
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    Like?
     
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    In the way trump talks what gives you doubt that he said this? He cares about nobody but himself
    Honestly I'm not 100% until first hand ppl come out of being anonymous and it can be looked into but it certainly does sound like so.ething trump would say. Those soldiers laying in the ground can't help him at all so he could care less about them.
    Honestly a lot of ppl say he is racist I think it's more perverse than that. Most blacks do not support trump by large numbers so he could give two about them. He more looks at them as the enemy to be given nothing. Just like his new illegal plan for Democratic states. Notice it's never red states he talks about...

    Who knows with trump the only thing I do know is he by far is not fit for president. Not saying Biden is much better but it cant be worse.
     
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    Documented from anonymous sources.
     
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    sweeping statement/generalization

    a statement etc that is too general and that does not consider all the facts – used to show disapproval
     
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    It's funny I never heard of ppl being denied insurance due to the ACA and the numbers you quote are myth. The number I said millions ya exaggeration but there would have been that many at risk of dying due to no insurance and unable to pay the prices. Especially diabetics would have been in serious trouble
    I am not saying aca is good it certainly had some problems one of the biggest is the stripping of the law by Republicans attacks on it. We will never know how good or bad it would have been had it kept going as is. I do know before ACA insurance was already getting too expensive and prices were going up. Health insurance needed a fixing unfortunately like most big things that benifit us as Americans the two sides would not work together on it instead just bicker about everything. When Obama had the votes he tat least try or we would never have had health reform.
    When McCain voted no that was what the 8 or 9th time of trying to repeal ir in the past 6years. Talk about being unproductive that right there was one big waste of time by Moscow mitch.

    The funny thing is some Republicans dont know that ACA and Obamacare are the same. In interviews they would talk about how bad Obamacare was then heap praise on the ACA. That is why so many ppl come up with false numbers because they believe the media.
     
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    If video is anonymous... sure...
    And several sources are not anonymous
     
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    This is America. Where people are free. Taking away their choice of health care system and forcing them to use federal single payer is the opposite of freedom.
     
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    Retired Capt. Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger said the following: "Sullenberger began by honoring his father, who, like him, was a war veteran. 'His generation saved the world from fascism,' he wrote. Sullenberger, an Air Force veteran, volunteered for military service during the Vietnam War.

    "To be sure, this is still the dictum of the philosopher; it is he who analyses the human situation. He subjects experience to his critical judgment, and this contains a value judgment — namely, that freedom from toil is preferable to toil, and an intelligent life is preferable to a stupid life."--(Marcuse, One Dimenional Man, 1964, p.126 (pdf.)

    So it turns out that those claiming to stand for America are anti-American; they cry for law and order, but actually are for vigilantism and chaos; they claim to embrace Christianity, but were in fact an anti-Christian cult; they promise wealth, but deliver inescapable spirit destroying poverty; they claimed to worship freedom, but actualize fear and mass murder instead; to represent truth, but embraced contradiction which is neither true or false; to represent courage, but are the fanatic disciples of moral cowardice.

    The parents of fallen U.S. service members denounce Trump for referring to all Americans who died fighting in wars as “suckers” and “losers” during a 2018 visit to France.

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    It happens all the time.

    Dunno if you have kids but I bet you pay a school tax to funds schools that sis socialism
    I've lived a long time I have never had to call the fire department yet I've paid a tax on it since I started working...
    Same goes for police
    All built on what Republicans decry as socialism.
    In the end how do you know if they did create a Medicare for all it wouldnt be better and cheaper? Or even if there eree a hybrid like Obama tried with the ACA that Republicans chipped away at.
    Why should I have to pay to subsidize farmers? That is socialism also.
    You talk about freedom.
    I hate wearing a seat belt but I am forced to by laws where is freedom in that?
    The thing about the word freedom is that it's not by YOUR standard because as most Republicans you probably don't like the woman's right to her body. She should have freedom to terminate the cells inside her own body right?

    In our laws there are already plenty of examples of socialism. I know you did not bring it up but I'm sure it was coming. We all pay or do things that we dont necessarily want to but that is not taking away our freedom. Taking away freedom is like going to prison or jail where you have to do what they want act in a certain manner and words can certainly get you in trouble.
     
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    It’s kind of a moot point. The divisions between who believes it and who doesn’t will be completely political. This is not the kind of thing that’ll sway independents; the timing alone is enough to disinterest most anybody who hasn’t already taken a side.
     
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    McCain was a war hero and he wasn't a war hero. Maybe you should look up the incident aboard the USS Forrestal. I think both can be true.
     
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    Just more election year bs....
     
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    McCain made a promise to repeal the ACA Obamacare then he broke that promise. It had already passed the house i believe.

    Regardless, Obamacare is just one step in the democrats march to socialism and socialism does not belong in a free country. It is antithetical to a free market/capitalist society.
     
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    Is there anything bad that Trump has not been accused of?
     
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    It's real sad that our education system has given us a nation in which such stupidly flawed arguments can be put into any public forum or debate. I don't know about you, but I never heard of any nation that was overtaken by the local fire or police department and turned into a communist dictatorship.

    The point democrats are trying to make is that let's just have a little taste of socialism, like healthcare or whatever. Like the Junkie who thought he could try heroine just once.

    ARE YOU PEOPLE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS KILLED BY SOCIALISM???

    That's right, to be a good socialist, you need to become a little bit desensitized to human sacrificial deaths. Let's start with the un born. Nobody can see them, we kill them, and nobody has to know.

    I dunno, is this person completely unaware of political correctness, cancel culture, doxxing, internet censorship, excessive pandemic related lockdowns? Is not extreme liberal media bias a form of election interference? We are in trouble, worse than I ever seen in my lifetime and we are on the brink of losing all our freedoms. It just starts off small.
     
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