Russia scrambles 8 fighter jets as US Air Force strategic bombers fly over Sea of Azov.

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    Kind of down on my geography, were they ACTUALLY inside recognized Red territory?
     
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    Well....the Russkis sorta claim this area as their own territory. They rammed Ukranian tugs for no apparent reason some time ago.
     
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    Thanks. If it's not internationally recognized as such, then SKA-ROO 'EM.
     
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    Azov Sea is north of Black Sea....bordered solely by Ukraine/Russia.....but according to some Russkis philosophy....it's just a "Russian lake"....not exactly international waters.
     
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    Hey, let's not forget the incident that scared the wits out of Britain, when a Russian sub crossed the English Channel in full sight. The British were on full alert and watched it carefully. Then let's not forget Sweden. I think they're still looking for the Russian sub. :roflol:

    Actually the 3 bombers were not inside Russian territory, but were very close to it. The Russian jets made sure they wouldn't get any closer. Scrambling jets on both sides though is a common occurrence - especially in the Baltic Sea and especially by Norway. The American bombers though are an escalation.
    "...In order to prevent the US Air Force planes from violating Russian airspace, 4 Su-27 fighters and 4 Su-30 fighters from the air defense forces of the Southern Military District were raised over the Black and Azov Seas..."

    "...In just the latest incident involving US bombers flying close to Russian airspace, a slew of Russian fighters were sent to meet three B-52 strategic bombers over the Black Sea on Friday..."
    "...In August 28, a similar incident occurred as two Su-27 fighters were dispatched to deter several B-52 bombers over the Black Sea. The following day, a similar incident happened over the Baltic Sea, again involving B-52 bombers, which are slow, long-range aircraft capable of dropping huge amounts of munitions over targets and can carry several nuclear bombs..."

    "...That intercept was part of an unprecedented show of force by the United States, which dispatched six B-52 bombers to fly over all 30 NATO partner nations in a single day. The latest intercept also comes as the US Army begins exercises in Estonia that will feature live-fire rocket artillery drills less than 70 miles from the Russian border..."
    These things are not a joke, and shows how things have escalated in the past years. To be honest, I think that anyone who messes around with Russia has to be an idiot. I remember when Russia took over Syrian airspace, that some Israeli jets entered it and Netanyahu freaked when he realized he almost lost them.

    That was when Netanyahu and his generals paid Putin a visit to show him the situation. After that Putin gave the Israelis some allowance in Syria. That ended when a Russian plane was caught in the crossfire because of the maneuvering of an Israeli jet. Now they only send drones.

    What really is frightening though, is that after the explosion in Lebanon Russia said that it is impossible to know if a missile coming towards them is nuclear, so regardless of whether it is or not, they will answer any missile attack with a nuclear one.






     
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    It's not a Russian lake, no more than the Black Sea is a Turkish lake, but any ship entering the Azov Sea will have to go through Russian waters. They need permission the same way nations need permission from Turkey to enter the Black Sea.
     
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    Swedes stopped looking for that sub....probably because it sank, and the vatniks covered it up.

    The Russki jets **** their pants knowing those B52s were there.....why else scramble almost 10 jets. Azov Sea is Russki territory, according to their twisted logic.

    Those B52s on Aug.28 were from Minot AFB, the vatniks took the bait, the US found out tons of info.....I've another link for it if you like.

    We've been messing with the Russkis for ages....they do nothing.


    As for the Isrealis.....they violate Syrian airspace regularly.....Syrian air is a playground for Isreal, those Russian Pantsirs and S400 are useless.

    Impossible for Russia to know???....then their missile defenses are for ****. That Rooski major general a month back didn't sound confident about Russia's defenses.
     
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    ROFL....you just **** yourself Jenny.....Azov isn't Russian lake....but any ship entering must go through Russki waters?:roflol:, so it's a Russki lake, despite Ukraine bordering it, and vatniks ramming ukie tugs!!:laughing:

    Face it....those Russki jets **** their drawers when those B52s did a flyby.....guess what, like article said.....more B52 overflights to follow.
     
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    Hey, the Soviet Union doesn't exist, remember?


    According to your logic then, the Black Sea is a Turkish Sea since the ships need permission to go through the Bosporus.

    If I remember correctly, the Ukrainian ships refused to stop even though they were in Russian waters. As I said, they have to go through Russian waters to get into the Azov Sea which is neutral. For all one knows, those ships might have been carrying explosives. Didn't they try to ram the bridge once with explosives when it was being built?


    Also the Ukrainians were caught in quite a few false flag terrorist attacks against the Tatars in Crimea. Their intent was to cause strife and friction, so there was no way Russia was going to allow those ships a free passage through its waters without a check up.
     
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    I wonder how many F-22s and F-35s were escorting the B-52s.
     
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    Never going to happen. Though both the U.S. and Soviet Union (later Russia) always made noises about responding to missiles approaching BEFORE they impact as though they are nuclear armed missiles and launching nuclear weapons of their on...in fact no nation on Earth has ever had this as an actual policy.

    The de facto policy of every nuclear power on Earth is to not launch nuclear weapons of their own until they detect confirmed nuclear explosions on their own territory.
     
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    What bridge did they try to ram?


    Ukranians caught in terrorist acts against Tatars.....what are you smoking Jenny. Ukies and Tatars are allies in this!.....poor uneducated Jenny.

    So you admit Azov Sea is Russki waters....good to know, finally an admission.

    Black Sea is international waters....bordered by several countries. Azov Sea basically is a Russian lake, like the vatniks claim, Jenny....open your eyes.
     
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    Probably none, which is why the Russians were probably laughing. Scared? I don't think so. Send 3 B-52s, send 10, it really doesn't matter. B-52s are slow, useless, ancient tech. The headline should be "Russians laugh as 65 year old planes successfully fly close to Russia".
     
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    I never said that Russia was scared. I was just responding to the "don't mess with Russia" crowd. They don't know what we had in the air and I doubt Russia did either.
     
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    Trust me, Russia knew. Russia has surface to air missile sites on the Crimean peninsula as well as along the coast in the Rostov area. Those B-52s were sitting ducks.

    Here's a Russian pilot waving at one of the B-52s:

     
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    LOL...why did the vatniks scramble so many jets....**** their pants did they?

    Why didn't they shoot at the B52s....Archie? Because they were chickens shits. Basically the B52s were right inside Rooski territory.....according to the schnegs, Azov Sea is Russki territory. The B52s proceeded to crap all over Russkis heads, and all the Mig pilots could do is escort them out....LOL.

    B52s are still the reliable workhorse not like those crappy TU95 propeller **** that looks like it'll drop from the sky any second.:))
     
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    Well you and a host of other warmongers still spew the fake bullshit about Russia invading Crimea, so lets go with that narrative for a bit. WTF did you do about it? Seems as though the U.S., Ukraine, NATO and nobody damn else did ****. So babble all you want, they are still laughing. Nice waste of tax dollars is what it was...the B-52 fly by.
     
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    F-35s could have been 30 miles away and shot down every MIG. It wouldn't save the B-52s, but Russia not knowing if our bombers were escorted would make them think twice about shooting the bombers down in official international waters.
     
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    Wow. Lol ... the US find a B-52 Oldtimer that was able to fly so far to provoke the Russians again... I'm really impressed that the US is still going on to provoke the Russians without any reason.
     
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    But you know that the F-22 and also F-35 isn't that super dupa jet as the US propaganda tells, eh?
    Will be funny when they meet the latest Sukhois and Migs to find out that they are not really stealthy anymore not to be detected at least ... funny for the Russians but not funny for the USAF!

    I am always amazed at how stealth technology is presented as so super great and invisible and how many people still believe these fairy tales. The discovery is a pure question of sensor technology which is not only radar and not only the Americans can fight BVR ... but of course the Russians only fly better tractors, of course ... isn't it?
     
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    Stealth aircraft are often way oversold by defense contractors and politicians as being "invisible" or something to that effect but even the best stealth aircraft is detectable by radar at some point.

    However in war time it makes a huge staggering difference if you have aircraft that can be detected by enemy radar at 50 miles away instead of 250 miles away.
     
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    But it can't be confirmed if a missile is carrying a nuclear weapon until it's too late. Anyway it seems the US is escalating the situation to dangerous proportions which means of course Russia will also escalate since they always respond proportionately or in greater measure when their security is at stake. The three bombers that approached Russia's border through Ukrainian airspace recently were nuclear capable. Why the provocation?

    Amazing how willing the Pentagon is to escalate, knowing that if anything goes wrong, the people in the Baltics and Eastern Europe will be the sacrificial lambs.

    This is from Shoigu:

    "...The most alarming thing is that if earlier – even though not that frequently – there were mainly reconnaissance aircraft, they’ve now begun regular training flights with large numbers of planes, during which mock missile strikes are conducted..."

    This is the Russian embassy statement in Washington over the multiple launch rocket systems by the US armed forces during the recent exercises in Estonia.

    "Russia has repeatedly proposed to the United States and its allies to limit training activities and to divert the exercise zones from the Russia-NATO contact line," the text reads. "Why do this demonstrative saber-rattling? What signal do the NATO members want to send us? Who is actually escalating tensions in Europe? And this is all happening in the context of an aggravated political situation in that region of Europe [in Belarus]."

    "A rhetorical question is - how would the Americans react in the event of such shooting by our military at the US border?" the embassy added.
    Could this be a sign of things to come? I recall Putin once saying that "the people in Eastern Europe who are being endangered are not the real perpetrators". In that wouldn't it be grossly unfair to kill them in response to anything that happens, and not those who are truly to blame?



    What fools these mortals be - William Shakespeare
     
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    Well it was an invasion of Krym....oh btw.....how's the water situation in Krym....I hear it's getting dire?.....you know what.....run a garden hose to the Black Sea....there's plenty of water there....No?

    Nice waste of taxpayers $$$ for B52 flyby???

    Ya don't say, Archie?? Let's look at it this way.

    Let's give a big Thanks to the Russ Fed for their panicked response. Activating their radars, missile defenses, and sending up those intercept jets really provided the US with a crapload of information.

    We now know, or can confirm where all your stations are and/or are placed, and know where you will scramble your birds from.

    It's quite likely your communications were eavesdropper on or intercepted, if the Kremlin is stupid enough to use a cellular or satellite network! The B52s are perfect for operations such as this....and to top off, Ukraine air force gets great experience in co-ordinating aerial recon and special ops under NATO standards.

    Let's just say Shoigu's and Gerasimov over reaction was a major gift to the Pentagon.

    $$$$, well spent, afaic.
     
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    Wow.

    Not the event, the response I am seeing here to it.

    During the Cold War, that would have been just another day that ended in the letter y...

    I remember one time we pissed off the Russkies and they started ramming our ships. Back when all Russia had was a coast guard, their only chance against a warship was to ram it. Not really a smart move, but as far as I know, it's still a Russian naval tactic.

    Anyway, we built a bunch of aluminum hulled ships in the 70s, and yes, if you think that's idiocy you are correct. They didn't hold up well when rammed by the reinforced Russian prows.

    We had a bunch of ships crawling back to port after that, and the aluminum ships were decommisioned early.

    This is normal tit for tat, we probe their defense, they probe ours. Nobody wants a nuclear war, and Putin can't afford the regular kind. While it seems to me that the odds of a shooting war are growing in both of the main theaters, the odds at this time are extremely low.
     

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