Nixon, one of the greatest Presidents?

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Here’s a fact for you.

    “President Richard Nixonproposed the establishment of EPA on July 9, 1970; it began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order. The order establishing the EPA was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate.
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    They just say this stuff.
     
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    Yeah. Like Clinton and Obama never existed.

    By the way; when do you think Schiff will produce his "more than circumstantial evidence"?
     
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    And yet, the Obama administration actually framed people.
     
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    Just like the great victory of trump meeting Kim jong-un right lol? I was alive I don't know about you I was born in 1951. Nixon put southern conservatives in the power again. Started southern California Republican dominance which is not good I would argue. Corporate giveaway to the rich types.... Kissinger's foreign policy was horrible in Latin America and they started the shah of Iran on a bad path. Secret police and torture no problem.... How about the Tehran oil men football team in the usfl OMG.....
     
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    Yeah, I have to agree, But he did get us out of Viet Nam, that was huge.
     
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    That did not make any sense. He would be considered a Democrat and liberal still. Nothing much has happened to change the country since the 60s. Except for huge tax cuts on the rich a disaster.That's why we need a democrat in power again.
     
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    I think Hubert Humphrey would have gotten us out a lot sooner. Too bad about the Kennedys....
     
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    He was also pretty strong on environmentalism, but no, I wouldn't call him one of the greatest. He was an unrepentant criminal who abused the office as a criminal. Nothing for me to celebrate there. Best thing I can say about him in that regard is that he willingly stepped down when he was a caught and when is party stood up to him.
     
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    No one has ever claimed that nationalism is limited to skin color. That's a fake argument. That's like saying that the term "cheeseburger" implies that all burgers have cheese on them or that the phrase "tall dude" implies that all dudes are tall. That's just not how adjectives work or have ever worked. The term "white nationalist" does not mean that all nationalists are white. It refers to the political philosophy of turning one's country into a white ethnostate or fleeing one's country in order to create a white ethnostate. Black nationalism refers to the same thing for a black ethnostate.
     
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    Nixon accomplished quite a bit but most if it wasn't really anything that important. Most of it was simply because he happened to be president when that stuff was going to happen anyways. The War would have ended regardless of who was president as well as the formation of some sort of EPA agency....it was just that time. When analyzing a president's work it is important to keep those things in mind. His biggest things such as his record on civil rights that were actual accomplishments are actually overshadowed by other irrelevant things.

    Watergate was bad but he had no actual part in it, never knew about it, never planned it or told anyone to do it. He didn't get in trouble for any of that, he got in trouble for trying to protect his people after the fact. In fact, before the Supreme Court ruling those tapes were considered his personal property and he could have easily destroyed them and escaped everything but he was overconfident in his ability to not be convicted even if they were forced to be given over.

    Overall he was a mediocre president, nothing spectacular really happened and nothing drastically bad either.

    Kind of boring when you look at all the actual events.
     
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    Nixon wouldn't be considered 'great'. The two greatest Presidents in the 20th Century in terms of achievement were FDR and LBJ; the latter is the more impressive considering he came up from literally nothing to be the President most hated by the eastern Establishment for achieving what they couldn't or wouldn't do re domestic legislation and essentially winning the Cold War and bankrupting the Soviet Union, which academia and the media wrongfully credit others for. If the hatred by both the left and the right wing nutjobs hadn't been so intense Hubert Humphrey would have won in 1968 instead of Nixon, and probably would have been the third best President of the 20th Century.

    The Commie influenced media did a hatchet job on the both of them, and still do. Commies always feared the paleo-liberals much more than the right wingers, since the latter were much more prone to be 'isolationists' who made lots of noises re 'Anti-Communism' but whose only real policies were to hide under their beds and cry for the Feds to shoot down uppity proles instead.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Nixon got us on the moon...

    Ok Boomer.
     
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    He was much more interested in fooling around with foregin policy, and had no real domestic agendas that interested him. Ironically it was Kissinger who stole the limelight there from him, especially re China. They respected Kissinger but not Nixon, and pretended Nixon wasn't even in the room in their meetings with the two of them.
     
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    My dad always said Nixon would go down in history as a great president. Funny when you reflect on Watergate, but back then it was unthinkable that one political party would be sneaky enough to actually tape another without their knowledge. How politics has changed...now after the Russia hoax and all, it would just be considered another day.
     
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    Haaahahahahaaa!

    I'm sure that you meant: What Trump will be falsely accused of doing.
     
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    Are you here from 4chan?
     
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    Proof?
     
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    Yes that is correct.

    Actually when I was studying the presidents are professor showed how they were pretty much broken down into those who focused on foreign policy and those focused on domestic policy. Rarely, outside of the very early ones, did you get people that did both equally.

    That was interesting.
     
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    Actually presidents had been recording the WH since FDR and it was considered standard practice. Everyone had their own set of personal tapes.
     
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    More fail.

    Substantiate you contention, or slink away.
     
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    Politics in the U.S. has always been dirty and under-handed, from the 'Founders' days right up to now. What is different now is the rampant treason and hatred of this country by its own 'elites' and the violent racism of the so-called 'Left' and the weakness of the State's response to that treason and violence. This country doesn't even have the will to protect its own children from deviants and freaks any more, so it probably needs to collapse or start deporting a hundred million or so malcontents and mentally ill sickos.
     
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    Narrative, narrative, blah blah, narrative.

    Why did you leave out: kill grandma and starve the children?
     
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