Russia scrambles 8 fighter jets as US Air Force strategic bombers fly over Sea of Azov.

I'm a 'don't mess with Russia crowd', and I'm saying it from what I noticed. It's really a personality thing with them. The Russians do not make idle threats, so when they're ready to do something, they will do so in full force - and with no idle threats.

Crimea would be a perfect example. No matter how prepared Washington was to take over Sevastopol and put in a Nato base, Russia overturned their plans and without an ounce of blood on their hands, managed to free Crimea from the junta. Not one single life was lost.

When the destroyer SS Donald Cooke arrived thinking that Crimea was now theirs, they were met with one Russian jet that rendered the ships electronic system obsolete.

This is from Russia's Minister of Defense Shoigu:

"...The most alarming thing is that if earlier – even though not that frequently – there were mainly reconnaissance aircraft, they’ve (US) now begun regular training flights with large numbers of planes, during which mock missile strikes are conducted..."

Unlike the others in our sphere,
Russia to us is; 'Mother Dear'.

So if you try to break her heart
and vilely try to grab a part,

through devious means with lies and guile
which as we know is your style,

then also know you'll suffer ill
and find it a very bitter pill.

As others have who came before
and didn't know what was in store

for them - Jeannette​

 

Yeah, there is nothing to gain on either side from a shooting war, in fact, both sides would lose far more than whatever they would gain by winning, especially Russia.

The odds of us ever having another world war are pretty much zero at this point.

Globalization has taken that threat off the bored. A guy can't take a piss in Russia without it having a ripple effect over here in some way.

 

Did you miss what I pointed out Jeannette? No nuclear power, including the U.S. and Russia has ever had a "launch on warning" policy regarding nuclear missiles. That is launching a nuclear response based on early warning sensors detecting incoming missiles (or bombers). Instead all sides have a de facto "launch under attack" policy. That is they only launch their own nuclear weapons once there are CONFIRMATION of nuclear detonations on their own territory.

Thus it doesn't matter whether an incoming attack is conventional or nuclear. Because you wait for impacts and detonations to confirm what they are.

 

citation requested.

 

Zoomy, what do you think of this piece of junk, it can't even fly straight and keeps flipping over. It's Russia's new SU57:

 

I'm not thinking of it....it's probably a prototype....not even manufactured in any #s....by the time this goes mainstream....US will have 7th generation jets with 360 degree laser systems.

 

And yet right after the explosion in Lebanon, Russia did say that any missile coming at them will be answered with a nuclear one.

Wars though do not start suddenly with one power attacking another. They start indirectly when nations can't see the real danger, because they're being blinded by an imaginary danger. The EU and US right now are doing everything to appease Erdogan in the same way they appeased Mussolini with Ethiopia and appeased Hitler with Czechoslovakia.

Turkey's defense minister even threatened to attack France's aircraft carrier if it sailed into the Eastern Mediterranean, which infuriated Macron. When he called Trump and Merkel, they told him not to go into the Eastern Mediterranean so as not to aggravate the situation - which of course infuriated Macron even more. I don't blame him.

In the end Russia will be left to deal with Turkey, which of course will infuriate and arouse the very same people that empowered Turkey. Anyway, this is just one of the many different scenarios of how WWIII might start.

Actually Russia has some of those jets ready for Greece if they want them - which I think they should. Greece is thinking of buying the Rafael's, but they probably wouldn't have to pay for the Russian jet's. All they would have to do is give Russia a naval base on Crete or some other island and that would be payment enough.

 

What does Russia have ready for Greece....??

Those SU57 nowhere near ready for Greece....get your head checked.


Greece is in NATO.....Moskolia getting a naval base there is basically Zero.

 

That is simply part of the ambiguity that is part of the principle of deterrence.. It is not representative of actual policy.

 

Of course it makes a difference whether someone can discover the other already at 250 miles or only from 50 miles ... but how big is the difference actually really?
Ultimately it is a question of sensors and radar is just one method that is used. Ultimately, all of this is of course a matter of "top secret" on all sides and thus to a certain extent only a guess.

Both the F-22 and the F-35 have only 4 internal weapon bays for air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons. Other extreme weapon stations can be mounted, but then the issue of stealth has been dealt with and both have the same signature as an F-15 or F-16.
That alone not only restricts the weapon options and thus also the effectiveness. In addition, the e.g. the F-22 is not a 100% multipurpose fighter because air-to-surface missiles cannot be fired.

Furthermore, at the USAF it is again the case that the subject of dog fighting is completely underestimated. Again the argument comes because air combat is BVR (Beyond Visible Range) = dog fight is hardly important. The USAF had already made the mistake twice before and paid dearly for it at least once ... with the F-4 Phantom which not only had no on-board cannon because of BVR, but where the pilots only had the dog fight as part of their training no longer studied.

And last but not least, a certain arrogance and ignorance can be noted again and again, according to the motto we are better and the opponent only has crap and is mostly incapable. This arrogance has cost countless US soldiers their lives in history. In 1991, for example, the Mig-29 from Saddam were only better targets for the AIM-120 etc. ... so the arrogant conclusion: The Mig-29 is just trash. A few years later, however, the same Mig-29s, this time with Serbian national emblems, the same F-15 and F-16 often enough caused considerable problems! For example, a Serbian Mig-29 not only survived the bombardment of four AIM-120s, but also made a counterattack that brought one of the F-15s into considerable trouble!

 

Time to rattle the old sabre, let Mr Putin know where the line is,

 

That's pre-internet...

I like to throw in a little historical color at times, but it's not something I am going to spend time on. If Google doesn't satisfy, try a University library, ask the research librarian.

 

Be aware Jeannette ...

This plane - the SU-57 Felon is great, no doubts ... but the serial production started only this year with slow production numbers so far. So no comparable numbers to F-22 or F-35 existing until now.

BUT,,,
Is this necessary? No ... because the former versions of the "Flanker" series are able enough to match any F-22 or F-35 ... and are not any "flying target victims" for the American jets as several US jerks tell.

Sure ... why not direct telling to have the X Wing or T-Fighter form Star Wars Saga ... or directly the Death Star, eh?

The SU-57 = ex T-50 is no prototype anymore and even you are right that no huge numbers are until now produced, simply serial production begun this year ... but see my remark about Sukhoi Flanker series!

 

You made the claim. You provide the proof.

 

What line? Wake up to reality, we're the aggressors here, and keep advancing the line. Putin is just responding to what we do?

 

I have no interest in arguing the point. To me, it's just an amusing moment in history.

If you want to prove me wrong, have at it.

 

By invading the Ukraine, menacing the Baltic States, poisoning his political opponents and backing the dictatorship in Belarus? How exactly did we provoke all this?

 

Well.... according to Jenny....we ARE provoking this, it's all George Soros, Rockefeller, Bill Gates, NED, Carnegie, US govt, Langley, Azov, Banderites, Merkel's, MI6 fault!

 

I'm not obligated to prove a falsehood. The U.S Navy moved away from using aluminum in ship hulls due to fire danger. As exemplified by the fire that basically burned the superstructure of the cruiser U.S.S. Belknap down to the hull after its collision with the U.S.S. John F. Kenney.

 

Why the lies? You know Russia never invaded Ukraine and that Washington ousted the legally elected president with a coup, remember? Why Nuland even chose the next president. Remember the: "Yats the man" bit with Pyatt?

 

Show evidence of those lies....that Moskolia never invaded?

No .RU toilet material.... independent, real time video footage, .....also those refugees in Ukraine and mass riots that are ongoing currently everywhere in Ukraine Jenny....

 

Because the military would never lie...

I am not denying your point at all. But I suspect having the Russians break our ships that way dented the Navy brass where it really hurts..

 

I've seen no evidence of the Russians deliberately ramming U.S. warships other than in 1987 when the U.S.S. Yorktown and U.S.S. Caron were lightly brushed by Soviet navy ships in the Black Sea. And the damage was utterly inconsequential. The commander of the U.S.S. Caron ordered a work crew to start repainting the scraped paint before the Caron was even out of sight of the Soviet ship.

 

No, only Russian trollbots believe that and seek to excuse the Russian dictators belligerence?

 

I have a better idea, how about you giving proof that the Russians did invade Ukraine? Betcha can't!

According to Spiegel, German Intelligence Officers couldn't see Russian tanks and soldiers, and accused General Breedlove of hallucinating.

While you're at it, give proof of everything else you write - that is unless you're also hallucinating? One has to wonder!

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I know that all are not a sage
and like to spit out fits and rage.
But that occurs when hatred rules
and turns the simple into fools - Jeannette


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