Putin critic, Russian activist Alexei Navalny on a ventilator; poison in tea suspected

Nice dodge....you don't know ****....the cold war propaganda you're clinging to is still working I see.

 

Of course Putin is strong, and it's a blessing for Russia. He's able to maintain his integrity and responsibility towards the Russian people, no matter how adversarial it might be to others. He will not fall prey to injustices and greed. You do know it's a virtue in Christianity?

You project an awful lot. Who invited Israel and the US into Syria anyway?

Uhhh! I thought we invaded Iraq to kick out Saddam.

I project, you project
it's what we do!
For that's the way that I see you.

It's also how you see me too.
So what you say reflects a-new,
and throws your faults right back to you - Jeannette

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Jeannette, Putin was part of the thieves that took the power. There were many thieves and gangstas in Russia but the 'Lake' cooperative was successful.
Ofc, they sidelined other mafiosi once they took the grip of the whole state apparatus.

The whole power grab in Russia in the early 90s should be a movie, it would be the most epic movie because it was an amazing powerplay with v. smart people like Putin, brutal tactics but still criminal in nature.

Check this link for example

Also check out the book called Putinburg.

General Bobkov the father of the gangster type of crime, who for many years headed the 5th Directorate of the KGB ("Fight against ideological sabotage"), and then supervised this direction in the rank of deputy chairman of the KGB of the USSR.

It was Bobkov, the head of the “five”, who came up with the idea of creating a new type of “common fund” - gangster ones, in order to denigrate the “thieves'” network and create something of his own. And around these "common funds" an alternative to thieves has formed - groups of those whom we call "bandits of the 90s." All the leaders were agents or confidants, and if there were "uncontrolled", they were simply killed by competitors. Leningrad-Petersburg became the capital of gangsters-agents.

 

People can't be on this forum, and be given proof over and over again, and still retain old concepts. They have to have an agenda.

The thievery was under Yeltsin, and he was Washington's man. Vladimir Putin was nothing more than a bureaucrat working in Petersburg with a strong reputation among Russians for his integrity, something that was rare during the Yeltsin years when most were getting rich on their seats.

The criminality came about with the shares that were given to the Russian people. It was a big scam, since they couldn't eat shares, and were forced to sell them to the ones who were given unlimited funds by foreign bankers. The Russian people went hungry, while the criminal oligarchs were sending the profits to foreign banks.

Yeltsin was given a free hand with the IMF money, and when it was being used against him he became frightened - especially for his family. The only person he knew who was trustworthy and wouldn't do anything to his family was Vladimir Putin. That's how he ended up President of Russia.

When Putin was voted in as President, someone asked him how he would treat the small business', and he said the same as I treat the large ones. As for the oligarchs, he said as long as they pay their taxes and do not run for political office, they can maintain their ill gotten goods and they will not be nationalized.

The difference with Putin and our politicians, is that his power comes from the average Russian, as well as the Intelligence services. So instead of being run and controlled by billionaires the way our elected officials are, he is able to control them. When he wants to make a big show like rebuilding Socchi into a world resort during the Olympic Games, the World Games, or the massive Cathedral in honor of the military, he asks the oligarchs to pay for it rather than the taxpayer.

Anyway if you really want to know Vladimir Putin, then you should read some of Sharon Tennyson's writings, since she worked in Russia for 30 years and knew him. Even more important she knew Russians who knew him from the time he was young, and Americans and Russians who worked with him later on and what they had said.

I trust her implicitly. As for those who demonize Putin, some have their own nefarious agenda, and others are simply projecting their own criminality and faults. Either way it doesn't say much for them.

 

Putin was not stupid to get himself dirty, he had handlers.

He played the best hand with the cards available, being one of 8000 little Putins without a job( later being delegated by the KGB into St. Petersburg Mayor Office, and a power broker). He had the best integrity among thieves and was very useful for oligarchs because of the integrity and smartness.
The smart guys figured out how to partner and how to get the power, mostly by stealing the Party money(people's) once they went 'public' (bank of Rossya for ex) because they had the means(v high position in the KGB) and knew getting into business was equivalent to holding power. Most successful KGB agents (the Lake Operative) are now on the Forbes list and Putins friends.
The prosecutor from Moscow, wanted so bad to get revenge on the KGB and get a track of the money funneled by the 5th Directorate, but itself was corrupted like everybody else(himself had an organized gang).
His career was ruined by the video leak(KGB style) but others were mainly killed(poisoning). The fight for power was vicious.

You truly have to be naive that Putin was ever clean, considering background, environment, the political fight. He is one of the smartest guys alive, and the most powerful, but not clean.

 

You realize of course that everything you wrote is either an out right lie or projection? Here let me explain. I have the greatest respect for Sharon Tennyson and what she wrote about Vladimir Putin - who she met personally, and who knew people that had known him for years. I have also read Putin's actual speeches, not the MSM version and conclusion of his speeches, and I agree totally with his philosophy.

I also know he is a highly devout Christian, something he keeps hidden for obvious reasons. He's rarely ever seen in church, at least from what I noticed, but he goes on retreats to monasteries where prayers are much more intense. His spiritual father in the past was the Elder Ephraim of the Vatopedi Monastery in Mount Athos, but when his relationship began causing the Elder trouble with the secular government in Greece and the EU, Putin switched to a well know Russian Elder.

A few years back when Vladimir Putin disappeared, and the MSM was going wild with speculation, the Saker who is ethnically Russian, said that he was probably at a prayer retreat in a monastery since it was lent. I don't doubt that.

It's not strange, when you realize he carries the weight of so many lives on his shoulders. It would be a concern to any Christian. I know that Prince Charles goes to Vatopedi for retreats and he's not even Orthodox and that Assad goes secretly to pray in a monastery and even had a profound spiritual experience - and he's a Muslim.





PROJECTION! PROJECTION! PROJECTION!

I project, you project
it's what we do!
For that's the way that I see you.

It's also how you see me too.
So what you say reflects a-new,
and throws your faults right back to you - Jeannette


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zer0lis - I came across some of Solzhenitsyn's opinions of Vladimir Putin:

"The president knows only too well what incredible difficulties, both domestic and external, he has inherited and which are to be avoided today. I would like to praise the prudence and soundness of his decisions and judgements. At large, he has a quick mind and agile wit and has no lust for personal power, no thrill of power. He really works hard. Hard because the tasks are extremely hard to accomplish." (interview with the Russian television dated September 21, 2000).

"Reverse efforts to save the country’s lost statehood began to be taken under Putin. Some of these attempts however looked rather face-lifting but later they became more rigorous. The foreign policy, bearing in mind our situation and possibilities, is quite reasonable and more foresighted. But in terms of what has been inherited from the predecessors, much is still in shambles. The general situation people are living in is still hard and chaotic." (interview with the Moskovskiye Novosti newspaper dated April 28, 2006).

"Yes, Vladimir Putin used to be a security officer but he was neither a KGB investigator, nor a GULAG camp chief. Notably, international, so to say, external services are dispraised in no country, on the contrary, they are often praised. No one ever upbraided George Bush Sr. for his being CIA director in the past." (interview with Der Spiegel of July 2007).​

 

Here's some of the low down on Navalny from the Duran. All in all, Germany refuses to send the results to Russia so that it can finish its investigation. In the meantime, Russia has thoroughly investigated everyone that came in contact with Navalny including what restaurants he went to with the exception of one mystery woman. She disappeared. What they know is that she had British papers and contact with Khodorovsky - who by the way is one of Navalny's handlers.

Since Navalny lost most of his following in Russia, I suspected all along that the negative publicity of him being killed, made him have more use to his handlers dead than alive. It's what happened with Nemtsov. Once he ceased having any importance politically, that was the end of him. Well you don't expect Khodorovsky and the rest of the bunch to keep on paying them do you?

The loyalty of their handlers never ceases to amaze me. But that's what happens when you're dealing with psychopaths, one minute they use you, and the next minute they're killing you.

 

The mystery women that disappeared and wasn't questioned was Navalny's aid Maria Pevchikh, who is a resident of Britain and possibly a citizen. (Funny how there's always a British connection when there's an alleged poisoning).

Pevchikh was together with Navalny in Tomsk before the so called poisoning and before he got on the plane. Unlike the others who were with him that day, Pevchikh was the only one that did not cooperate with the Russian investigators and quickly left the country for Germany. (Sounds like a foreign agent to me).

The question is how did she manage to get into Germany with all the restrictions they have over Covid, and why wasn't she questioned by the German authorities when she arrived there? (Aha! German collusion).

There are very few photos of her, even though she is closely associated with Navalny and he is in the public eye all the time. She has also taken repeated trips with him. (Things are getting curiouser and curiouser)

Navalny is now off the ventilator, and is joking about the benefits of breathing. His spokesman said he is definitely going back to Russia. Funny how Russians always feel safer inside Russia than in Europe?

They shouldn't though, there are a lot foreign agents in Russia - unless of course they're guarded well by the Kremlin. But even then, because I think there were two guarding Navalny on the plane and yet he still got sick. Anyway was he poisoned, because the labs in Omsk didn't show it and the Russian creators of Novichek said that Navalny's symptoms could not have been caused by it.

Frankly, I think he was given something that caused his sugar level to drop drastically - maybe in his medication for diabetes.