CNN Dunce Pretends the Military Industrial Complex Doesn't Exist

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  1. Horhey

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    I'm sure he believes what he's saying here. He was hired by CNN precisely because they know he won't rock the boat. These people are fully indoctrinated by the time they leave the education system.

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    Trump is a con man. Pay attention to what he does. Not what he says. He's given the ruling class everything they wanted.

     
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    I don't know what is "complex" about it. There are companies whose revenue is generated primarily by sales to the government. So they need their most important customer. The government needs these companies because they have the ability to develop what it needs. It is a business relationship. Nothing complex about it.
     
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    Thing of it is, Trump did bad mouth military brass.

    Don't know what the kid said, and I don't care.

    Trump was rude and wrong, which is to say it was just another day..
     
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  5. Horhey

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    And? Perl clutching for militarists pushing for more war.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Was Bush 1 a Dem? How about Bush 2?

    Last big fight where we there was a decision to do it by a Dem was Korea. That was 2/3 of a century ago...

    There have been a bunch of small fights, and Republicans started most of those, as well.

    Again, for the millionth time, the only people that will actually do what you say you want are Progressives (leaving out unelectables).
     
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    Blatantly obvious statements become controversial when trump says it. It’s annoying whether you support him or not.
     
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    I have an issue with the MIC, and Trump is right on this. I'd argue, thought, that it's not the top military brass; it's usually someone like Dick Cheney, who profited mightily from the Iraq War.
     
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    All I did was disagree that a description of the "military industrial complex" is complex at all. I guess I agree with the "CNN dunce."
     
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    Vietnam ring a bell?
     
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    Think of complex as a noun, instead of an adjective. It defines the relationship between the military, and the corporations who supply military equipment. The more wars we have, the more the equipment suppliers profit. This has been going on a long time. Eisenhower warned us, and that was the last president to speak against it.

    I can't fathom how much money has been made by people getting us into endless war for personal profit.
     
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    I know I’m agreeing with you bro. I’m saying that the military industrial complex has been spoken about openly for years (if not decades) now, especially by left leaning news outlets. Now this delusional reporter is talking like it doesn’t exist( and like he has never heard of the concept ) because Trump denounced the military industrial complex.
    i ageee with you that the relationship is straight forward, reread my comment.
     
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  13. Horhey

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    The Democrats started the wars in Vietnam, Colombia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria. Reagan inherited the wars in Central America, except for Nicaragua.
     
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    Eisenhower was the last president to not start a war. So far, Trump is in that category as well. That's a big +1 in the Trump column. It doesn't outweigh the negatives, IMO.
     
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    This may come as big surprise to you but corporations don't start wars. They don't have the power to do so. The only way the government swampers would profit from a war would be through bribes. That, of course, is illegal. If you are aware of some bribes then perhaps you should uncover them.
     
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    Hm. Well, Dick Cheney would prove otherwise. He got us into the Iraq War, and his company, Halliburton, profited mightily. Somewhere around $20 billion. That's how it gets done.
     
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    Hmm... I'm confused, weren't you the guy who said that Obama's purge in the DOD was necessary? Here it's just characterizing some flag officers as getting ready for the payday they expect to get from their years of support for some of these companies. It's not like he's out purging officers who don't support him like Obama did....
     
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    I can't remember a single president until now that hasn't started something. Even weak ass Carter F'ed up the afghanistan and Iranian conflicts.
     
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    WRONG

    & be Pleased to be Be-Aware, & Edjohmoecated, that the Word COMPLEX
    is very Complex Word and carries many different meanings and nuances and
    that the phrase "Military Industrial Complex" is used in the very definition of
    the Word - In the Merriam Webster Dictionary

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    complex noun

    Complex | \ 'kam-,pleks
    Definition of complex (entry 1 of 3)
    1.
    : whole made up of complicated or interrelated parts
    // a complex of welfare programs
    // the military industrial complex

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complex
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    The first guy to send Americans to Vietnam was Ike...

    Our messing with Central and South America goes back to the 1800s. It's bipartisan and ugly as homegrown sin.

    Yugoslavia was a mess. The Soviets had suppressed ethnic conflict, and while it looked like it was gone, it came back with a vengeance..

    The ME is complicated, although Libya was not. That was simple, we owed Europe a debt, and they cashed in there. ANy traditional president would have gone along with it.

    While the ME is complicated, underlying the chaos is one very simple thing. Oil. Some scholars have called it the Curse of Oil.
     
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    I guess my comments went right over your head.
     
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    His former company. And he didn't have the power to get us into a war. Don't make up things.
     
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    Cheney had a huge financial interest in Halliburton during the war. You're going to pretend he didn't play puppet master to get us into that war, are you?
     
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    True but the war didn't begin until Kennedy sent more military advisers in 1962. "This effort was foundering when John F. Kennedy became president."

    Military Advisors in Vietnam: 1963 | JFK Library
    The civil wars there began during the Carter years.
    "It was Yugoslavia's resistance to the broader trends of political and economic reform; not the plight of Kosovar Albanians that best explains NATO's war."

    -John Norris, Director of Communications to US Deputy Secretary of State Stobe Talbott during the Kosovo war

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    I don't believe he believes what hes saying. I believe hes another propaganda whore covering for it for pats on the head from our illustrious masters.
     

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