Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?

No idea where to begin - but his daddy was a Social Darwinist. Do you know what this is Matey ?

 

Yes, but just because his daddy was, that means he is?

 

You didn't answer the question.

 

You must have missed the first word of my previous reply. It begins with "Y."

 

What is Social Darwinism..

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

 

That link does not help you much ... as SD is a big topic. I asked what you knew about it .. not what some fellow wrote in WIKI ..

I have no idea what to tell you about Trump without knowing what you know about SD.

Last chance to show some interest in the topic.

 

Oh I see. Well, I know precisely NOTHING about it! Had never heard of it until you mentioned it 5 seconds ago!

 

Didn't say any such thing - just wanted to know where to begin to tell you about Trumps and Social Darwinism.
but - since you have now disclosed where you are at - this helps.

Your wiki link was terrible by the way ... doesn't tell you much other than mentioning that it was related to "Survival of the Fittest"
Biological determinism - "social darwinism" has nothing to do with Hitler - other than Hitler took some ideas and warped them out of control.

Trumps admiration for hierarchy in society - is quite evident as is his disdain for the lower classes. Has much more to do with "class" and one's hierarchy in society than race - that is what is important.

 

What "such thing?"

 

I misunderstood your previous post .. was talking Social Darwinism.

 

If Trump has a "disdain for the lower classes", then why has he passed criminal justice reform?

 

Why has he done many things - that a President needs to do - for one reason or another. You didn't thing a President is going to say such a thing out loud did you ?

You are looking in the wrong direction - "look he created jobs - that was good for the little folks" and Trump will play up any anti-establishment card first chance he gets - and is smart for doing so.

So my friend ... it pains me to say .. not a great question .. but a definite improvement from "Bad Question"

Look instead to areas such as moving money from the lower classes up to the elite -- > how does Carrot Top fare on that one.
but each is a complicated issue. CJR - had to be done ... was politically expedient - but good for getting it done. This has nothing to do with Trump's Eugenics Stance... he is the "Tough on Crime - Law and Order" President - Just Shoot em ... are you catching my drift at all mate ?

What else .. there's lots. It explains so many of Trumps moves - Immigration.

What you are experiencing right now is a "Black vs White" paradigm - and I will explain...

Since when did we think / assume - that all Social Engineering is bad ? (not saying you did - although you did but not saying that) just showing you the paradigm .. the Group Think Assumption that was just passed over.

Immigration reform needs to happen.. the question is how this gets done - and the current criteria - IMO - are ridiculous .. but this is down another line.

Not everything in Social Darwinism is "Bad" - Negative .. as your wiki article would suggest ... "Everything Refuted".

This is simply not the case. Some things in the ideology have been refuted -this is true -- but there is some substance there as well.

Reagan and Thatcher were prominent "Biological Determinist's" - The ideology is used to justify hierarchy - the existing hierarchical structure - in society.

Everyone was on the Eugenics bandwagon prior to the war - Hitler did not arise from a vacuum - but as stated previously - he does not represent the sum total of the ideology - or even its correct usage... Jews should have been at the top of the food chain if we are applying the theory properly .. but anyway - it was very popular ... especially among the elite classes - anyone who was anyone was on the eugenics band wagon to some degree. We have movies on the topic .. "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy/Dan Ackroid you may be familiar with but then there was .. pygmalian .. "my fair lady" ? .. where they take the "guttersnipe" and try to teach her to be a proper lady. n

After the war - everyone jumped off the Eugenics bandwagon - due to being tarred with Hitler -but, the Social Darwinism aspects were repackaged as "biological determinism" - There was forced sterilization still into the 60's.

Daddy was on the bandwagon .. as is Son Donny .. as are many others in the elitist class.

Welcome to the "Nature Nurture Debate" - 101

 

LOL - you really TRY to be lame!!

 

No, Trump is a racist. There is absolutely ZERO question about that. At present, his campaign is pretty much based on the awful threats to white people. He fans those flames in pretty much every campain event.

He even claims that the America he has created is what Biden would create!!!

Sorry, Trump. This America is what YOU participated in creating.

And, "social Dawinism" is serious ignorance that harms America, too. So you are not particularly improving anything.

 

Who is not improving anything .. Trump ? - hard to say and depends on the issue - your generalization of the term "Social Darwinism" is a fallacy. Not all tenets of Social Darwinism are wrong - nor of "Biological Determinism"

Its like kind of standing on a stage - debating - "Nature Nurture" - and claiming Nurture wins - and then walking off stage.

You have generalized and simplified an issue that is far more complex - and one that needs discussion rather than dismissal.

The world needs to engage in some significant social engineering if we are to avoid /mitigate the Environmental disaster under way.

 

I don't even SLIGHTLY agree with your take on nature v nurture.

The reason is that we are given nature.

The things we CAN do have to do with nurture.

We CAN improve education, for eample.

We CAN continue to have systems such as bankruptcy such that individuals who try and fail get to try again - rather than being writte off for some reason as stupid as social Darwinism.

We CAN move toward supporting democracy such that the voices heard aren't all from corporations and the super wealthy - after all, middle America MAY just have some issues.

We CAN defend America against the white supremacy that makes use claims of Nature (v nurture) to decide that those without lily white sckin make be treated like CRAP - by making it harder for them to vote, for paying them less for denying them equal access to housing, by having police that are very clearly FAR more interested in assault than in "protect and to serve".

We CAN provide the education that is more and more required by our economy for employment adequate to sustain what we see as middle class lifestyle - rather than failing our minority populations where the kids are every bit as smart as are the white kids with rich parents.

Nature is NOT the problem.

The problem is that nature is a totally false excuse for ignoring large sectors of our population.

If nature presents a problem, it is that every country has an equal percent of brains. And, as our world economy moves toward requiring brains, we have to remember that we don't even have 5% of that raw material.

So, wasting the brains of our population by stupidities like "it's nature's fault" and white supremacy is economic suicide.

 

Nothing you have stated disagrees with anything I have said - but thank you for sharing.

 

Great!!

Sorry if I misunderstood something.

 

I understand the Nature Nurture debate quite well - having taken a Sociology course that was solely on that topic - and there are many failures of Biological determinism.... it is however not a complete failure -and dismissing where it is not is lacking objectivity - not saying that you would do this ... just stating a fact.

What we do need as a society is to engage in a conversation around social engineering - cause we are doing a horrible job.

 

I'm not arguing that the "nature" part isn't a great and valid branch of investigation. And, it can give insight. When the police in Utah broke into an apartment and shot a totally unarmed asperger's teen to death (even after having been notified multiple times that the kid was unarmed and had asperger's), they were clearly just plain ignorant of nature, helping them to decide to murder a kid.

The problem is that what we as a nation can do something about is almost exclusively nurture. We can overcome some natural obstacles such as disease. We can learn about those we can't overcome, such as asperger's, skin color, etc.

We as a nation CAN change elements of nurture. We can demand an end to racism. We can work toward equal representation. We can ensure greater and more equal educational opportunity, since more and more we find education central to success in our economy. We can make bankruptcy and other mitigations more available so people can restart. We can moderate the costs of financial calamity such as we see due to COVID today (such as the problem of evictions NEVER being removed from ones record, making one eviction due to a calamity have a SEVERE lifelong penalty, since few will rent to anyone who has ever been evicted), etc.

These are all elements of nurture. And, the study of nature is mostly a matter of finding ways to improve on nurture.

 

I asked you what Trump said which was "promoting white supremacist assaults." Are you unable to support your claim? It certainly seems so!

 

Such a thing as what? Saying that he "NEEDS" to do something?

Isn't Carrot Top a little too busy with comedy to be moving money around?

Depends on what Trump's eugenics stance is.

What about immigration?

So your saying that I "DID" "think / assume - that all Social Engineering is bad?"

I've been aware of Darwin's racist ideology for a while. I guess this is considered as part of Social Darwinism and therefore obviously one of the things which has been largely refuted.

How so?

'Trading Places' was on the topic of Eugenics?

 

Yes indeed

 

To this day we no scientific proof of the existance of that Truth reality. Even though some people who we call "The prophets" claim to have some sort of connection with that "Truth reality". But there was one very very precious man named Charles Darwin who revealed those prophets' false claim with his exceptional theory.
I believe that the best way to answer this question is to say that we don't know yet. And overall there's no point in searching for a god because the only thing that can influence our lives is the environment around us and nothing else.

We can't say that the democratic system we're living in is the best of the systems. The biggest problem with the human race is that they are so populated, so much that there's no unbiased system that can manage them all fairly. At least not to this day.
The only red line that anyone should have in their life is trespassing other people's well being. Everyone should live in a manner that doesn't hurt anybody.
But the systems that the world's population are living in doesn't work this way. Because it's been designed to work for a minority by using a majority. And that's a tragedy.