Federal judge temporarily blocks USPS operational changes amid concerns about mail slowdowns

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Fourteen states sue President Trump, Louis DeJoy over Postal Service slowdowns
    The suit was to get Dejoy to reverse all the changes he said he was going to suspend, but not reverse, and not just rely on his suspending the changes, they sued to get him to reverse and undo everything he did. It was found that some 15,000,000 pieces of mail were delayed. and, well, read on.....

    Here is the lawsuit:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/cont...owdowns/574c05d7-d05e-41bd-a509-ab4731a525ab/

    More info:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...fb85a0-f91e-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html

    Stanley A. Bastian, chief judge of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Washington, said policies put in place under DeJoy “likely will slow down delivery of ballots” this fall, creating a “substantial possibility that many voters will be disenfranchised and the states may not be able to effectively, timely, accurately determine election outcomes.”

    “The states have demonstrated that the defendants are involved in a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the Postal Service,” Bastian said in brief remarks after a 2½-hour hearing in Yakima. “They have also demonstrated that this attack on the Postal Service is likely to irreparably harm the states’ ability to administer the 2020 general election.”

    Here is the ruling,


    And, here is the judge's ruling: which, sorting through the legalise, sets the laundry list of all the changes he made, not to just suspend those changes but wasn't going to reverse as he told congress, the judge ruled that Dejoy had to REVERSE all the changes me made. Stories where persons didn't recieve their meds on time, one lady was hospitalized but for needing her meds. What Dejoy did was, in my view, criminal.

    https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/3e/6d/202cf5804735990922c48edfaf34/wa-pi-order.pdf
    1. Plaintiffs’ Motion for Preliminary Injunction, ECF No. 54, is
    GRANTED
    2. The USPS Defendants, and all their respective officers, agents,
    servants, employees and attorneys, and persons in active concert or participation
    with them are hereby ENJOINED [prohibited] from the following until the Court resolves the ORDER GRANTING PLAINTIFFS’ MOTION FOR PRELIMINARY
    INJUNCTION * 11
    a. a. continued implementation or enforcement of policy changes
    announced in July 2020 that have slowed mail delivery, including:
    i. instructing mail carriers to leave mail behind for
    processing or delivery at a later date;
    ii. requiring mail carriers or delivery trucks to leave at set
    times regardless of whether the mail is actually ready;
    iii. prohibiting or unreasonably restricting return trips to
    distribution centers, if necessary, to complete timely mail delivery; and
    iv. taking any actions to implement or enforce the
    operational changes outlined in the USPS’s “Mandatory Stand-Up Talk: All
    Employees” dated July 10, 2020;
    b. deviating from the USPS’s long-standing policy of treating
    election mail in accordance with First Class Mail delivery standards,
    regardless of the paid class;
    c. taking any actions in violation of the commitments made in the
    “Postmaster General Louis DeJoy Statement,” dated August 18, 2020, such
    as removal or decommissioning of any mail sorting machines, reducing
    hours at post offices, or closing mail processing facilities; and
    d. implementing or enforcing any “change in the nature of postal
    services which will generally affect service on a nationwide or substantially
    nationwide basis,” absent a duly issued advisory opinion of the Postal
    Regulatory Commission, 39 U.S.C. § 3661(b).
    3. If any post office, distribution center, or other postal facility will be
    unable to process election mail for the November 2020 election in accordance with First Class delivery standards because of the Postal Service’s recent removal and decommissioning of equipment, such equipment will be replaced, reassembled, or reconnected to ensure that the Postal Service can comply with its prior policy o
     
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    Trump loses again.
     
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    Once a LOSER, Always a LOSER
     
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    It will be interesting to see what stunt Barr comes up with.

    Although, with 50 days left, the political ramifications of getting publicly involved in defending a scheme to slow the election might not look so good.
     
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    seems moot since the Post Master withhold putting these Comgressionally approved changes in until after the election.
     
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    So what? The Trump administration automatically appeals all rulings up the ladder, until they eventually have to ignore the final ruling.

    They are a LAWLESS administration and must be ended ASAP, by force if necessary.
     
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    Federal judge temporarily blocks USPS operational changes amid concerns about mail slowdowns

    A little slow on the trigger. The USPS appears to be back to normal again. I ship daily by USPS and tracking for customers fearing lost shipments has come to a halt.
     
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    I am planning on voting in person. There is no way I am voting by mail.
     
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    Congress was neither consulted, nor approved any of the changes you’re talking about.

    You made it up, again.
     
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    Sure they did...you have just been misinformed by the leftwing and their propganda machine that is trying to find a scape goat for when they lose in Nov....something to undermine the results over

    https://federalnewsnetwork.com/budg...off-usps-reform-plan-to-save-97b-in-11-years/

    Congress was well aware of the plans
     
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    Oddly enough the narrow court ruling is accurate jurisprudence. The court had authority, and it was only asked to provide an injunction pending a hearing on the merits of the case without ruling on the merits of the case. While it probably erred in its conclusion that the merits of the case have a likelihood of being sustained, courts usually err on the side of the plaintiffs in these situations. However, the merits of the case are 99% idiotic. Violates the 5th, 10th, and 12th amendments??? Seriously? An operation of the USPS??? That is a stretch so far it would reach to the sun. The USPS exceeded their legal authority??? There is no law that dictates how the USPS operates at this level other than certain operational changes need approval of the Postal Regulatory Commission. There was no interference with the States right to establish how elections are done. (And by the way it is the state legislatures alone that establish this.) If the states establish that everyone must take a taxi to the polls, the taxi companies are not liable if they run short of taxis. States can establish the voting process but cannot guarantee that it will always work and cannot hold anyone liable it something goes wrong. There was no violation of anyone's -- disabled or not -- right to vote.
     
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    We all know what's going on here, if the state f's it up it's looking for a fall guy. If Trump wins their looking to win in the courts. Dems being Dems, literally nothing new.
     
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    Sorry, but this is not the plan. And the Trump bundles who is Postmaster General was not in place in February.

    And,since no legislation or action resulted from a presentation in a hearing, Congressdid not approve anything. Again, contrary to your false claim.
     
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    yes it is the plan....Congress didn't have to approve it...but they were well aware of the plan that was recommended to save the USPS

    Like I said...this was just a boogeyman scape goat by the Dems to undermine the election results when they lose.

    It's backfired a great deal though...the Post Office said they won't be the issue.
     
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    So which is it?
     
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    I misspoke the first time...they were aware of the change in plans, because they were briefed about the plans to save the post office quite so time ago...and never objected.
     
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    so what will be Trump's next attempt to cheat?
     
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    What evidence do they have that it will slowdown the mail delivery? And the States do NOT dictate to the USPS how it will run itself and it's schedules and requirements. The USPS is NOT chartered to be the mechanism of conducting elections either in the Constitution or statutorily. It has instructed the States what THEY must do in order to insure their ballots will will be delivered by election day. It is up to the states to make sure their deadlines will allow for that they have no standing to force the USPS to meet the 51 separate standards.
     
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    AFAIK they don't have to the Board of Governors do. These changes have been going on for 20 years now.
     
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    Show me where in the Constitution or statutorily the States dictate to the USPS how it will run itself and what will be it's schedules and delivery timetables.
     
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    How many is 'many'?

    How many we talking here? A few hundred? A few thousand, tops?

    If I suggested in-person voting only because of the potential to commit fraud voting via mail, the response I always get is "if that did happen, it'd be such a small amount it wouldn't affect anything."

    Well...

    And if you don't think the post office is capable of handling this (as most people should be well aware by now that they can't), its a wonder anybody is offering this up as a solution at all.

    Fact is we'll have arenas with tens of thousands of fans, but people are still trying to use the Covid excuse as to why we can't vote in person? Lol

    Okie dokie...
     
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    This conspiracy theory is unbelievably less believable than Crossfire Hurricane. Apologies to the Judge but said changes are needed regardless of the election.
     
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    Politics aside, has anyone noticed a difference in delivery times?
     
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    Whether anyone has, or hasn't, is anecdotal, as the delays will be intermittent, ie., in some regions and not others, but it has been reported on

    https://connectingvets.radio.com/articles/usps-delays-veterans-affairs-mail-order-prescriptions

    But in recent weeks, dozens of veterans said they faced wait times that have doubled, tripled or worse. Some reported wait times as long as three weeks or more for prescriptions that previously took a few days. None of them have been contacted by VA with an explanation, they said.
    "What used to take days now takes weeks," one said.
    "I received my life-saving medication 20 days late," another said.
    "I ordered five weeks early, expecting delays," another veteran said. "My meds were still late."
    Others said they saw delays in delivery of medical equipment, in addition to medications.
     
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    Oh geez.....that is parcel post not letter sortation. And why were they late? Read the article it's VA mail order centers and they didn't even get a statement from the Post Office to see if it was on their end or the delays are coming out of the VA.

    Dozen's? You know how many Vets there are?
     
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