Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died, Supreme Court says

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Terrible. Very sad.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-died-supreme-court-says-234042604.html

    "In 2016, McConnell refused to bring up President Obama’s nominee for the seat left vacant by the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, with the justification that “this nomination ought to be made by the president we're in the process of electing this year."

    Of course, the hypocrite has already said that he'll fill the vacancy, without waiting for the newly elected president to take upon the nomination.
     
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    And are you at all surprised? Insincerity should be Mitch's middle name; not that there aren't LOTS of other insincere politicians, of vary degrees of integrity, but I can think of none that tops McConnell at being 2-faced.
    And many people clearly agree w/ his, "say whatever supports getting what you want," ethos-- or don't object to it, at least-- proven by his long tenure in elected office, as well as the obedience he commands from Republican Senators & w/in the Republican Party. POWER sells its METHOD.
     
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    RGB. Great lady. Justice Scolia's BFF at court. They loved to argue, and they had a genuine friendship. Most legal types I know, have great respect for her, even if they disagree with her politics. She was a brilliant mind.

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    McConnell will certainly do everything in his power to get it done, pre 11/3.

    Hypocrisy at its' finest. Both parties do it, but some are way more blatant than others. This will, very obviously, be one of those times. I can't wait until team R gets their talking points memo on how this is different.

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    Another side note. I truly do blame RGB for this conundrum. She had eight years under Obama to quit and give him the seat to nominate. I truly believe that she was waiting to give the first female president, a chance to replace a female SCOTUS judge. There's not much that can convince me that anything else is true. She damned well knew she was in ill-health. She gave the president 0% of winning, and was planning to retire on 1/22, 2017.
     
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    you're wrong: McConnell noted that it has been over a century when a President of one party had a senate with the other party in majority, confirm a pick. However, as MM noted, presidents of the same party as the majority leader have had picks confirmed
     
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    She should have resigned during Obama's admin, but she selfishly clung on to power and has screwed everybody she agreed with. Given the anti-American behavior of the Left these last few months, nobody should complain because Republicans follow the letter of the law to pack the court with one more conservative vote.
     
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    Am I wrong? What exactly is the wrong thing I said? I didn't say anything about parties. I said that Mitch McConnell said that a nomination for the SC should not be heard for confirmation in an election year. Are you disputing that he said so? But now he wants to do it. That's hypocritical.

    What you said to suggest that I'm wrong doesn't prove that I'm wrong because what I said is unrelated to what you're saying.
     
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    Not terrible for an old justice to die..We need mandatory retirement based on age for justice's and law makers.

    Sad for her family though.
     
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    But remember, she, like virtually everyone else of her political viewpoint expected HRC to win,
     
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    It's politics. A sport that makes football, wrestling, boxing and rugby look tame. My opinion has been all along that the whole Russian collusion thing was based on removing Trump to get a better shot at the Supreme Court. Use to be a time the party in power could nominate a Supreme Court Justice, and even though the politics were different, they were overwhelmingly approved in a bi-partisan manner.

    I think Trump should nominate Amy Coney Barrett. She would be a woman replacing a woman who is highly qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice.

    At Notre Dame, Barrett received the "distinguished professor of the year" award three times.[4] She taught Constitutional Law, Civil Procedure, Evidence, Federal Courts, Constitutional Theory Seminar, and Statutory Interpretation Seminar.[4] Barrett has continued to teach seminars as a sitting judge.[25] In July 2018, after Barrett's name was floated as a potential Supreme Court nominee, several of her former students spoke to the media, praising Barrett as a professor and mentor. One former student called her "always approachable," another "remarkably fair-minded.

    Barrett is married to Jesse M. Barrett, a former Assistant United States Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana.[63] He is now a partner at SouthBank Legal in South Bend, Indiana.[64] They live in South Bend, Indiana and have seven children: five biological children and two children adopted from Haiti. Her youngest biological child has special needs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett
     
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    If Republicans ram through a replacement (and they will), they will radicalize Democrats. And if Democrats retake the Senate and the White House and keep the House, they're going to add three or four seats to the Supreme Court.

    If McConnell was capable of reading the room he'd hold back on this, content to keep the 216 lifetime court seats he passed. But I don't think McConnell has that cool of a head.
     
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    That may well be the case.

    But at the time, it seemed like a perfectly reasonable plan.
     
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    The fact that Tim Kaine and Joe Manchin voted for her, in her current role, is encouraging.
     
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    Remember how the Kavanaugh nomination process energized the 2018 General Elections?

    Condolences to all of you grieving the death of Notorious RBG. She personified a Great American!

    The Balance of Future Power rests in what happens after Moscow Mitch makes his move to galvanize support for a Conservative Nominee. In the 2020 General Election, DEMs stand a good chance of regaining Senate Majority, particularly if Biden wins!
    Alabama flips to GOP.
    AZ, CO, ME flip to DEMs.
    Probable DEMs win either Iowa or NC.
     
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    I was wondering if that would get women showing up to the polls with flaming pitchforks.
     
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    Marjorie Taylor Greene and her ilk prefer machine guns. I expect them to come out after Chump loses and yells "Voter Fraud!".
     
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    I live in Maine, looks to me like Collins is toast. This part of Maine is Blue, Republicans keep winning because Maine Dems are total idiots. Maine women vote for women. It took my fellow idiot Dems a generation to figure that out.

    The last thing Collins needs right now is to have Kavanaugh on the mind of Maine voters.
     
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    Reporter: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.

    Biden: Who?

    Reporter: Justice Ginsburg, from the Supreme Court of the United States

    Biden: That's sad. Will she vote for me?
     
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    Imagine trying to explain to a person living in another democracy why a judge dying of old age determines national policy for the next fifty years and throws the country into an apocalyptic, near-civil-war mindset.
     
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    I think in about ten days, after the first presidential debate, you'll realize that the idea that Biden is that demented is just a Trump campaign talking point. I believe that the strategy of calling him demented will fall flat as million of Americans will realize, live on their TV sets, that he's got some gas left in his tank.
     
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    You think Democrats are going to start another civil war over this?
     
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    Over this? No. I expect Democrats to use all the legal levers of power at their disposal to stop or neutralize an appointment. If there is an actual civil war it will be over something larger than this.

    For example, if Trump uses the Federal Courts to stop counting after November 3rd, he would be an illegitimate President and I'm not sure what happens after that.
     
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    I'll say exactly what I said during the Garland nomination - such is the Senate's right. They can confirm, not confirm, or not address it at all.

    Elections have consequences. If you don't want your nominee blocked then don't lose the Senate. If you don't want your opponent's nominee confirmed then have at least the Senate or WH in your back pocket.

    Besides, it was the Democrats who went nuclear on SCOTUS appointments on the elitist assumption Clinton would win the election.

    The only Democrat I have any sympathy for in any of this is RBG herself, rest in peace.
     
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    Some Democrats have suggested that they if the Senate confirms a Trump nominee in a lame duck session after a Trump loss, and if the Dems not only win the WH but flop the Senate too, they will pack the Court by increasing the number of justices to 13 and confirming 4 liberal justices, to cancel and turn over what they consider a stolen seat with the Garland nomination, in case the Republicans demonstrate a double standard, confirming now the replacement for RBG, in what these Democrats called "Republican chicanery."

    This threat may be enough for the Republicans to hold on, for now. We'll see.
     
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    why would women show up with flaming pitchforks? The SCOTUS is apolitical and agendas have no place within the SCOTUS
     

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