The sole goal of the DNC for the future should be........

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What patriot isn't distressed about the abomination of this presidency? If you feel the need to define pointing out the horrific things Trump has done as crying......so be it.
     
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    I am aware you put no stock in the founders or framers, but their words were that the tyranny of the majority is every bit as bad as the tyranny of the despot. Governments run by either uncontrolled despots or a majority always become tyrannical. This was a fundamental precept and focus of the constitution.
     
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    Its the patriots that aren't distressed. Its revolutionaries and anarchists that are distressed and wrecking their own neighborhoods and attempting to silence dissent and endlessly crying over every little thing...
     
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    The only people that seem to be distressed about this admin are Iranians, Chinese and Dems....odd? Not really.....
     
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I must say I'm growing weary of hanging the acts of a tiny minority of violent protesters around the necks of every Dem. It's disingenuous at best and purposefully deceitful at worst.
    But nice try on the deflection.
     
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    and our founders knew a thing or two about tyrants given who they just beat...the new Dem party would be loyalist to the crown back then
     
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    Maybe the Democract campaign for President could at least stop posting their bail so they can go out and commit more terror
     
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    Heh, looks like Madison has joined the list of founders who's statutes you want to knock down?
     
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  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was never in favor of that. Perhaps just a placard indicating they were slave owners if in fact they were. Members of the confederacy, that's another ball of wax.
     
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    Maybe a placard around the necks of the statutes, quite the revolutionary look!
     
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  11. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s dangerous when the minority party rules everyone else

    "Before the end of the year, Amy Coney Barrett will probably be sworn in as a Supreme Court justice — and she may serve for decades. She will have been appointed by an impeached president who lost the popular vote in 2016 and may well continue in office after losing it again in 2020. She will almost certainly be approved by senators representing less than 45 percent of the American population.

    Our nation is moving even deeper into minority rule: The House aside, the U.S. government is controlled by the less popular party in a polarized two-party system. We may call this unfair, but that would trivialize the problem. It is entirely permissible under the Constitution, and it is dangerous. When the majority of a nation’s citizens can’t get its candidates elected or its preferred policies passed, the government’s legitimacy is compromised and destabilizing pressure begins to build."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...63b954-fdfc-11ea-8d05-9beaaa91c71f_story.html

    We need to look very hard at institutional remedies to keep the will of the majority from being subjugated by the minority.
     
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    Are you saying that digging in your heels, the resisting movement, organizing pussyhat and vagina marches, making total jackasses of themselves over a couple of Supreme Court nominations, spending millions on a two year attack that turned up nothing, burning and looting democrat run cities all over America, impeaching the president, spending every minute of every day complaining about the first lady's jacket, the president's hair, the Russians, N.Korean, Chinese, and Iranians that they promised we would be at war with if Trump was elected, did not work out so well?
    Who wouda thunk?
    Try being civil for a change and watch the positive results you will get during the second term of Donald J. Trump.
     
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    All in strict accordance with our great (to most anyway) Constitution, except of course for your 2020 fantasy part.
     
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    What a flawed view of history

    LAWCOMMENTARY
    The Electoral College Didn’t Protect Slavery

    The Founding Fathers did not create the Electoral College for the purpose of bolstering the power of slave states, nor did it have the effect of doing so.

    The presidential election in 2016 reminded Americans of the role played by the Electoral College in electing our president.

    Proponents of abolishing or nullifying the Electoral College and replacing it with a direct-election scheme are trying to delegitimize the traditional process by claiming it is a remnant of America’s racist past, created as part of the Founding Fathers’ effort to protect slavery.

    The claim is completely false. The Founders did not create the Electoral College for the purpose of bolstering the power of slave states, nor did it have the effect of doing so.

    The records of the Constitutional Convention plainly show that the Founders designed the Electoral College to keep the president independent of Congress, which would have selected the president under both the “Virginia Plan” and the rival “New Jersey Plan.”

    Direct election of the president wasn’t seriously considered for several reasons, and it lost the few times delegates voted on the idea.

    Using electors to select the president was proposed several times during the convention by anti-slavery delegates such as Alexander Hamilton, Gouverneur Morris, and William Paterson. Opposition came largely from Southern delegates.

    When the convention passed an early version of the Electoral College in mid-July of 1787, only three states voted against it—Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina......
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/10/23/the-electoral-college-didnt-protect-slavery/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&utm_content=httpswwwdailysignalcom20201023theelectoralcollegedidntprotectslaveryutmsourcerssutmmediumrssutmcampaigntheelectoralcollegedidntprotectslavery&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTTJNelpqSmpOR1JqWlRSayIsInQiOiJhYkwwK0NUcnRCNklITVFvTGI0eDJJZWZBMHFBc0t5aEt0TG0xYTUrSTRyb1B0SU51UThDOEpoQXg5eGVvVFRPWU9lRTFobFlxYTdOMjBJaVZ4V1p1aVNoOTN3aDdvenVLNUMwUU8yWG1wbEdReUpROE9RckhCXC9INEJjRVZFNWUifQ==
     
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  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the one where the will of the majority is thwarted.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I had no idea McTreason's court packing power grabs were in strict adherence with the founder's intent. You learn something every day (wink).
     
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    Don't take the bait! He can't accept that Trump got elected so he thinks Commifornia should decide ALL FUTURE ELECTIONS. add in a few sprinkles of race baiting as well because democrats can never just talk about politics without some race baiting action. Its like french fries without salt to them.
     
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    Well, it's really not that difficult or complex. The Constitution is very clear and succinct. It says the president [and only the president] shall appoint, subject to confirmation by the senate, justices to the supreme court. It does not say the president shall appoint, subject to confirmation of the senate, and subject to the media, the political opposition, or groups of malcontents liking the appointment, justices to the supreme court. You don't like the Constitution but don't hide that fact behind the camouflage of claiming it is too hard to understand (wink, wink).
     
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    republicans are simply TOO WEAK to compete on a truly level playing field ... a national popular vote for the presidency.

    That is why they'll spin like tops trying to defend the failed relic known as the electoral college.

    And an institution (the senate) where the votes of a couple dudes from South Dakota who represent less than a million people carry the same weight as the California senators who represent nearly 40-million people is a COMPLETE ****ING JOKE.

    And because of this badly flawed system, we now have a supreme court that is 67% conservative.

    Is this a 67% conservative country?

    Hell no ... not even close

    If we sweep this election, the gloves COME OFF and changes to this DISGRACE of a system commence... :thumbsup: :flagus: :democrat:
     
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    Civics 101

    The house represents the people

    The Senate represents the states

    Your argument is flawed
     
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    You need a quick tutorial on "republic". The founders and framers went through extensive deliberate and contemplative discussion and thought on what type of government is best for preserving individual freedom and liberty. They unanimously decided it was a relatively new type called a republic. New because no other government in history had any particular concern about individual liberty. They were always dictatorships, kingdoms, or, in rare examples, in part, democracies based on majority rule. The framers and founders knew without question that the tyranny of the majority is every bit as bad as the tyranny of the despot. That is why they set up a republic, and why the Senate, executive branch, the electoral college, and to a degree the House is why they are established the way they are. They are a joke only to those who have no true interest in individual liberty, only an interest in getting their own personal or group power and authority, which is an interest in selective individual liberty for some, but not for all.

    The electoral college is neither a failure nor a relic -- it is much newer than despotism..
     
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    In which state is it thwarted?
     
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    So you never learned we are the United STATES of America and not the United PEOPLE of America. The election of the President is based on population AND geography.
     
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    They always want to imply we are the United STATE, not the United States

    I have really nothing in common with liberals in California or New York
     
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    It helps equalize STATE interest which were fully recognized in our founding and are in our Constitution. Civics 101.
     

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