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In depth interviews with some respondents are part of the methodology.

 

I guess I don’t understand how that’s possible if you are doing random sampling and a good percentage just tell the pollster to bugger off, say they had a boating accident, or just outright lie and say they own no guns.

 

Secession? Not a chance.

The President and Vice President should be elected by popular vote.

Secession isn't going to happen.

From what I've seen, I think he's got you.

That would be my assessment.

You posted on a forum. Send him a private message.

 

I don't see how on earth it would have changed anything! You said that it's "not going to happen now unless Biden wins." You seem to be unaware that Republicans WILL be confirming someone before the election.

 

Why do you think secession is the only solution?

LOL. Bananas should be free on Tuesday.

That’s the problem with your way of thinking. You can’t think outside of any box others have created for you. There are big problems with secession. That is true. But your obsession with it proves you think in binary and can’t approach problems from a systems perspective. That’s dangerous, especially when coupled to authoritarianism.

He has the same opinion as you. Knowledge and facts are irrelevant to both of you. That’s fine, but projecting that onto others doesn’t mean others are ignorant.

It’s also why authoritarians can convince large numbers of US citizens the EC should be eliminated. Only the ignorant and most authoritarian can hold such views.

Why? He posted on an open forum. I replied. Because you have the same opinion as him and I don’t, I shouldn’t post on the open forum? Here you are AGAIN telling me what to do after accusing me of telling people what to do. I swear dude, you are fun to talk to, but you come up with some doozies. A PF member who is not a US citizen and does not reside in a US state wants to decide my system of governance. Yet it offends your sensibilities that I would voice opposition to that on the same open forum as his desire to decide my governance was posted? It’s nuts.

For the record, @Bush Lawyer is a good dude. I’ve asked him questions about the details of his government and he’s been helpful. I did not however, tell him his government should change to suit my sensibilities.

 

No. Just tired of writing "anti-democratic."

I get you prefer the EC because you believe it is a good thing. Fine. That is your opinion. It is a fact, though, that the EC is anti-democratic, which is obvious when you consider a candidate receiving fewer votes can win an election.

BTW, I do watch MSNBC. I try occasionally to watch FOX News, but on a segment about the virus, MSNBC will have experts like Fauci and other virologists on who explain why masks are necessary to arrest the spread of the virus, and Fox News will have Dr. Atlas on who thinks we should allow the virus to spread to achieve "herd mentality" as President Meathead would call it, and then would interview people like Ted Nugent and Meatloaf who would give their reasoned, educated opinion that it mandating masks is against out "freedums." Sure, MSNBC is left-learning, but Fox News (during the prime time) are conspiracy theorists who obviously live in a alternate dimension. Now, I do watch Chris Wallace, who I think is excellent and I did watch Sheppard Smith, who was also good. I can't watch people like Hannity or Pirro or Ingram for any period of time because they are frankly nuts. To by honest, I have the same problem with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC. I think Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes are also pretty good. Can't watch race baiting Al Sharpton for even a few moments without changing the channel.

 

In each election, the candidate who received the most votes. Simple.

 

No we wouldn't. We would be a nation where each person's vote was as important as every other person's vote. A candidate would spend time where actual people lived and would need policies that appealed to the majority of citizens who vote. A Democratic candidate ignores areas outside NYC because he or she knows those areas, being more rural are going to vote predominately for the Republican candidate, and the Republican candidate is going to ignore those rural areas because no matter how many rural residents outside NYC vote, their votes are meaningless because many fewer people live in those rural areas than in NYC. Without the EC, a Republican candidate would actually spend time in rural areas of NYC trying to get their supporters to vote because an extra 1,000 votes from that area would actually be meaningful to their electoral chances. Without the EC, there would be no such thing as a "swing state" as all people's votes would count and would be important.

 

You're in luck. That's how it happens. Every single time.

 

Yeah, well--what are ya gonna do if you don't like what's happening at the federal level and [woof! woof!] you aren't going to 'put up with it' any longer?

60+% of Americans think we should abolish the Electoral College. Your mocking reference is reminiscent of Useless Hillary's "deplorables" comment.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/24/support-for-abolishing-electoral-college-hits-nearly-10-year-high-poll/#130a6dab58df

But your conversation with @Bush Lawyer is private and the rest of us should not respond? Absurd.

 

It is you who has the problem and apparently transferring it to your students. There has NEVER been a national election in this country. You do your students and the country a disfavor teaching otherwise.

 

Passed what? Your class? Probably not as I would be giving factual answers and you would be grading based on your uniformed knowledge of history and civics.

 

It doesn't happen in the US. In the US, people vote. The majority of votes cast in a state elect electors who may or may not vote for the candidate the majority of the people chose, unless there is a state law requiring them to do so. It would be easier, more inclusive, and actually democratic to just count the votes and congratulate the candidate who received the most votes.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. It's not worth going back and forth.

Per the constitutional way we vote, the candidate who gets the most votes wins. Period.

Who votes for president? The states. I don't want that to change. If you do, work with others who do and convince 34 states to agree to change it.

 

LOL. What are you going to do if a state secedes?

When I said most Americans are not knowledgeable about government or the history of this country.
You said this:

So are you the equivalent of Hillary? Can’t make this stuff up.

Thanks for the link proving I’m correct on my assertion the less informed people become the more they support silly things like abolishing the EC.

Here’s what I said on the issue.

Here’s what you said on the issue.

Funny stuff.

 

Once you choose to understand the US isn't a democracy, you'll stop trying to make an irrelevant point.

No. Really.

 

In exactly none of these elections did the person who received the most votes win a majority of the votes; the majority did not vote for the person who revived the most votes the elections in question.

If the majority should rule - if, as you say, more people should have more "voice" than fewer people - who do you believe the person with "the most votes" should have won in 1992 1996 2000 and 2016?

 

This is already the case. You vote is exactly equal to everyone who votes in the same election.

 

Your opinion is noted--and rejected.

 

We live in an era where facts don't matter.

 

If facts are important, and you are right, please post the text in the constitution that says the popular vote of the people is how we determine a president.

 

Is this really a conspiracy theory:

 

What?! I never said the popular vote determines how the President is elected. I have said it should be the way, but that would require an Amendment.

 

Well, I have been watching your back and forth with Bluesguy, and it does seem that you struggle with some of the basics wrt civics.

You are also under the impression that the total of all the state elections is anything other than a piece of trivia.

 

How about supplying PROOF for your claims, not just your usual made up BS?

Another whopper.

Why do you make up stuff?