President Trump, first lady Melania test positive for coronavirus

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  1. Curious Always

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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I'm watching the clip, now. I agree, he looks pretty good. He sounds a bit stuffy, but not that big of a thing.

    With all that said - he should lose the orange makeup. He looks so much better without it.
     
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    I know one of them may have non-trivial side effects and is used normally if the patient is in poor condition (according to Scott Adams). This is the test though. If all the people who got it come out unscathed, it will do much to break the spell of the disease. On the other hand, if Trump succumbs, it may press up the panic level.

    I read about the precautions they took to prevent Trump from getting the disease (including testing every single person before they could get close to him that day). Based on that, I think we are all going to get the disease. If the heads of state can't be protected, nobody can.

    There is a non-zero chance that this was an assassination attempt on the President's life..... no evidence of that of course.... pure speculation on my part.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    There must be a conspiracy. It's only spreading among Republicans! I am feeling a deep sense of schadenfreude.
     
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    Present the part that is prospective, controlled, with incidence of disease as a primary endpoint.
     
  5. Lucifer

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    And yet, when Section 3 of the 25th has been used, there is no mention of the oath. The oath takes place only on election and re-election of the president. It was designed that way in order to assure a smooth transition of power. Reagan avoided invoking the 25th even when he was shot. This is a rarely used and new amendment. In the middle of an actual crisis, it maintains the continuity of power regardless of whether there is an oath or not. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
     
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    I can't imagine a worse way to assassinate a president.

    Release a virus in China in November in the hopes that it causes a pandemic, in the hopes that the US cases go off the charts, in the hopes that the president gets it, in the hope that causes his death?

    My buddy Occam says, "nah."
     
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    Show me one Constitutional scholar that agrees with you.

    Anyway, I'm out of this discussion. I feel like I am trying to explain Physics to an 8 year old that does not even know his addition.
     
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    The first and last time an unscheduled inauguration took place under the provision of the 25th was with Ford, and yes, he did take the oath on Aug 9, 1974, at 12:05 pm, but technically, he became president at 11:35 am when Nixon handed over his resignation to Kissinger.

    Then where is the evidence when Dick Cheney was president for a couple of hours while Bush was in surgery that he took an oath? That happened twice under Bush.

    But go ahead and run-off because you don't like being challenged.
     
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    It's worse than that. The whole world is playing along with the hoax and inflating their death counts just to make Trump look bad.
    All paid for by Soros and Gates.
     
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    Where did you see that? I just did a quick search and this came up top. This is why I don't trust much of what comes from the WH lately. It's so contradictory.

    Live updates: Trump says he is doing well, after chief of staff says next 48 hours ‘critical’
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/10/03/trump-covid-live-updates/
     
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    One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols

    Clipped from that article. That's a controlled experiment so like I asked did you even bother reading it or did you just ignore it like Trump does for national security briefings
     
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    Qanon people are a riot!
     
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    Sense of humour failure there buddy?
     
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    Well bless your heart
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    Evaluating the efficacy of any treatment is done through randomized controlled trials with a placebo (dummy pills). If someone takes a treatment and recovers, or if someone else takes the treatment but still dies, even if the person is the president of the United States, doesn't mean that the drug is effective or not effective. Only a randomized controlled trial responds to this question. Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail will get sufficient testing through RCTs and that's what will ultimately determine if it is effective or not, not what happens to Trump. But I'll tell you this: it is indeed a promising treatment. One caveat: polyclonal and monoclonal antibodies are typically very expensive and health insurance plans typically won't cover them until they get FDA approval.

    Trump's mistake is that testing doesn't prevent the infection. Masks do. You can test someone negative but the person may still be infectious as the tests have numerous false negatives and only turn consistently positive after a few days after the contagion, and the person can be contagious before the test turns positive. Trump was adamant about not wearing a mask most of the time, so there you go. Therefore, the idea that we'll all get this virus because the president did is not sustainable. I work daily with Covid-19 patients and I wear advanced PPE; so far I haven't caught it.

    Assassination attempt - ridiculous conspiracy theory. We are in the middle of a freaking pandemic. People like the president who do not mask up, yes, they'll get the virus naturally, no conspiracy theory needed.
     
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    It's worse than that. Not only Soros and Gates are paying 214 countries to inflate their numbers and pretend that there is a pandemic going on, but also, they have been planning for these so-called vaccines for a long time, and getting nanochips inside the vaccine vials, which will then migrate to our brains and make of all of us, Gates and Soros slaves. It's a plot for world domination. The chips will be activated remotely through the 5G network as long as their spying cameras can see the victim's face.

    It is very fortunate that wearing a tin-foil hat prevents the chip from being activated in half the cases, but even better is to wear a facemask because then, they can't see your face with their spying cameras and satellites and they can't tailor the 5G rays to your specific case so the chip won't get activated. The masks protect 95% of the time. So just the tinfoil hat doesn't protect fully; one needs to wear the hat AND the masks; both together deliver 100% certainty that they will defeat Soros and Gates.

    Diffuse this as widely as possible. Soon we'll be able to recognize to what class of people someone belongs.

    The streets will be full of people just wearing a face-mask with no tin-foil hat: those are the typically highly educated and otherwise smart sheep who sadly are wearing facemasks because they want to protect themselves against the SARS-CoV-2; LOL, that won't work; it's all a hoax anyway. The streets will also be full of people wearing a facemask AND a tinfoil hat; those are the freedom-loving people who despite their low education, are street-wise enough to be fighting off the evil Soros and the evil Gates. They are loved by Trump, who famously said that he loves the uneducated.

    The end result is that everybody will be wearing facemasks and then the hoax will die out.
     
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    Trump is suffering from an acute case of karma.
     
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    Excellent, it's good to see a poster who knows what he is saying and is helping with debunking the silly misinformation posted by fearmongers. You are correct that what sped up these trials was primarily money. Typically a vaccine maker will progress painfully and slowly through the phases, only finishing one and being very careful that it is good before proceeding to the next one, afraid of investing too much money on the wrong horses and incurring a loss. But when you cost-share and throw billions of dollars at them, they can be bolder and fearless, and can proceed much faster including overlapping phases.

    One thing, though. Immunogenicity by some of these vaccines in phase 1/2 and even phase 3 has been surprisingly high. 100% of seroconversion in some phase 1 trials, 97% and 98% even in some phase 3 trials (which is very surprising because typically when you start including older and less healthy subjects for phase 3 you start seeing a drop in immunogenicity).

    So, I'm very optimistic that the vaccines WILL provide coverage way superior to the 50% or 75% you are mentioning. This is very important because as you know, acceptance is a problem (and the silly fearmongers are not helping) so the higher the effectiveness, the smaller the percentage of the population that will need to take it to induce vaccine-driven herd immunity. Since acceptance has been low (at least in America) then I hope for very effective vaccines, to compensate for that.

    I'm particularly impressed with two of them: the CoronaVax made by SinoVac, and the NVX-CoV2373 made by Novavax. Yes, Pfizer and BioNTech are doing excellent work and I find it commendable that they have decided to spontaneously increase the size of their Phase 3 trial to 44,000 subjects to include more minorities and more elderly subjects. But they are not the only ones doing a good job.

    You are right that some of these stocks are hot right now, but it's still a lottery. See the case of Oxford/AstraZeneca; they suddenly encountered a huge road block. Also, the Chinese are actually farther along than the Western countries (the CoronaVac is scheduled to finish phase 3 in two weeks from today) and they may very well flood the market with their products. Even the bold Russians with their approval of Gamaleya's Sputinik V ahead of phases 2 and 3, have already received literally billions in orders from various countries in their sphere of influence (I wouldn't touch their vaccine with a ten-foot pole). Some very large countries are obtaining technology sharing agreements and will manufacture their own doses (like Brazil with SinoVac and India with Novavax, effectively removing themselves from the pool of buyers of other vaccines). The bottom line is, yes, it's a multibillion-dollar market and multiple makers will end up profiting from it, but which ones and how much is still a lottery.
     
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    say "controlled study" again.
    I have more laughs to get out.
     
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    Ok, I will bite on more time.

    So, what exactly are we talking about. I thought we were discussing whether Pence needed to take the Presidential Oath of Office should Trump succumb to Covid. By bringing up Cheney, it appears you are now talking "acting President". If the VP become President then he will need to take the Presidential Oath of Office. If he is "Acting President" for an unspecified time because it is expected that Trump will make a full recovery, then Pence is not President and will not be required to take the Presidential Oath of Office. Neither Cheney (H.W. Bush) or G.W. Bush (Reagan) took the Presidential Oath of office because they were only "Acting President" and were not President.

    p.s. There is no requirement that the oath be taken BEFORE they become President. In fact, it is always AFTER they assume the duties. (Washington assumed duties on March 4th, but did not take the oath until April 30.) However, the oath must be taken before they can wield any power of the Executive Branch.
     
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    Pray to Trump again i get a laugh out of that also.

    :roflol:
     
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    Now you got it!
     

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