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Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by zalekbloom, Oct 10, 2020.

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  1. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    They do these things through intermediaries like corrupt drug-addled children.
     
    quiller, Oct 11, 2020
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  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    So when did they bribe Joe Biden? What's your evidence?
     
    yardmeat, Oct 11, 2020
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  3. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    After the reelection, we'll see Trump bring forth a lot of it. I'm patient.
     
    quiller, Oct 11, 2020
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  4. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll never admit Trump was ever wrong about anything, just because it gives liberals a hissy fit...
     
    Dispondent, Oct 11, 2020
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  5. Have at it

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    You don't know how wiki works do you?

    Of course my knowledge on the subject was accurate have been doing it for 30 plus years
     
    Have at it, Oct 11, 2020
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  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    I know how it works.
    Experts can edit. Any edit gets scrutinized for accuracy.
     
    dairyair, Oct 11, 2020
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  7. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    So you have no evidence. Just some kind religious faith that it simply must be so.
     
    yardmeat, Oct 11, 2020
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  8. garyd

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    Of which I saw plenty before Trump was elected. Incompetence was Obama personified. Everything Obama touched turned immediately to crap. Foreign policy? He took a relatively quiet Middle East and produced a conflagration gave the Russians the Crimea and other choice bits of territory while leaving the former Warsaw pact countries all but defenseless. Had the chance to lead us beyond racial animus but instead chose at every opportunity to stir it up. There has been no President in American history more Racially divisive than Barack Obama and no party so desperately in need of it to hang on to power than the Democrats.
     
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  9. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    They have those without prompting. Freakout Dujour is a menu staple despite its "of the day" original meaning. On really busy days they pack several in before the first couple of hours.
     
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  10. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

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    So an old man with a criminal son and shady associates now runs for Prez, and is the oldest to do so making his one term very likely and a party unwilling to give up power after only one term. The faith Biden would live to serve two terms is itself a monument to belief.

    Democrats never willingly surrender power. They clearly intend to let Joe be Prez if only for a while, to placate two previous failures trying for that job. It's humane. Give the old do-nothing geezer a higher notch on the Demo-useless totem.

    That's all if they win this election, mind ya. "If" is arguably the biggest word in the English language.

    Dems win, meaning give the reins to Harris ahead of Biden's term ending, and then admit D.C. and Puerto Rico to get a tame USSC to declare it legal that she can serve out Biden's term and still get TWO full terms of her own.

    Don't sweat the sorry old rag we used to call our Constitution. Democrats are at work and America is in peril.
     
    quiller, Oct 11, 2020
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  11. Lil Mike

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    Well there is no "depend" about it. We have posters with long histories on this forum claiming exactly that Trump is an agent of Russia, that he was asking for Russian orders on national TV, that he's being blackmailed by Russia to do their bidding, that he helped Russia "steal" the election from Hillary, that Russia itself stole the election, and on and on and on. It's been years of hysteria in which there has never been any accountability as the facts have come out on this.

    To be fair, most of them were just parroting MSM talking points and didn't really have any thoughts of their own on this, but in my opinion that's even more dangerous. The past few years have been an education on how the media can manipulate simple minds into believing pretty much anything.
     
    Lil Mike, Oct 11, 2020
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    Bogus they attacked Reagan at every opportunity until he died and for a few years there after. As for Bush the first he was part of the club. He was the last of the country club Republicans whose only real difference with Democrats was defense spending and how much of the budget ought to be put on the charge card.
     
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  13. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unlike OP, I won't fault you for distrusting the President.
     
    modernpaladin, Oct 11, 2020
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  14. struth

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    where are you getting this fake news? the experts are on record saying he never mislead the public

    the same experts out on record estimating 60 to 90 million americans got the obama biden swine flu...estimates because they ordered test be stopped
     
    struth, Oct 11, 2020
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    I haven't found democrats to be any less obstinate. Their latest last-resort canard is "Where's the peer-review!!!!"
     
    Chrizton, Oct 11, 2020
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    If Joe Biden wins it will include at least Joe Biden, as they'll have no more use for him.
     
    vman12, Oct 11, 2020
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    Other presidents prior to Trump have had more Americans die "on their watch".

    FDR-World War II- 404,000
    Wilson- Spanish Flu-550,000
    Lincoln- Civil War- 600,000+

    Those are actual terrible events that happened during the terms of three presidents who are pretty highly regarded by the American public and historians.
     
    Dayton3, Oct 11, 2020
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  18. Nightmare515

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    You can easily convince me I am wrong if you have evidence to back it up. I deal in raw facts and raw data, not emotions and not narratives. The mainstream media has been shown to be factual yet not truthful on so many occasions that their credibility has diminished in the eyes of millions of Americans from all sides of the political spectrum. When I say factual and not truthful I mean often times the media will post a raw fact yet purposefully exclude the context in order to paint a specific picture. This is a well known tactic used by various outlets which is why we on this very forum have a rule against editing other members quotes or not quoting them entirely. Taking snippets of something is a great way to say "Yes this person SAID THAT" while conveniently leaving out the rest of the quote which explains the context of said snippet which completely changes the narrative.

    This is why I have moved to supporting these various independent journalists popping up all over the internet over the past few years. They tend to be way more truthful than the mainstream media because they are trying to capitalize on the massive distrust of outlets like CNN and Fox News and are trying to give the people what they actually want. The truth. I've been saying the same thing for decades ever since the rise of dueling media outlets, I just want the raw facts in their entirety, let ME decide how I feel about it. So my routine is pretty simple, I wake up and check the big 3 news sites of CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. I see hilariously that the same "breaking news" story is usually on all 3 sites with a massive disparity between how the article is written and even the title of the story on each platform. I then go to one of the various YouTube independent journalists that have proven to be relatively truthful and watch as they dig through all of the partisan talking point trash of the big 3 mainstream outlets so I can see what the story is ACTUALLY trying to tell the American people.

    I am a pretty objectionable guy, follow me around this forum long enough and you'll see me routinely taking sledgehammers to Trump when he deserves it and defending him when he is being unfairly criticized. Same with Biden, I am one of the few Trump supporters who actively defends Biden on a routine basis as I openly did with the whole "He called troops stupid bastards" thing as well as this "he has dementia" narrative. I am not a partisan guy, I was a Democrat for my entire life and voted for Barack Obama in 08 and voted for Trump in 16. Right is right and wrong is wrong, wrong doesn't magically become right just because "my side" is doing it and right doesn't magically become wrong just because "the other side" is doing it.

    The problem is that due to every single mainstream news outlet having an unquestionable bias in one direction or another it has become damn near impossible to figure out what is actually TRUE. So no I do not take what CNN or Fox News says about the President at face value, I will never take a story from CNN as objectionable truth because they are simply not objectionably truthful and have an open bias against Trump. I will never take a story from Fox News as an objectionable truth because they are not objectionably truthful and have an open bias for Trump. The stories that I take note of are the ones when the particular news outlet goes against their own open bias narrative. During the rare times when CNN actually praises Trump for something I'll read into that because that means whatever happened was so unquestionably accurate that they couldn't even use their bias machine to spin it into something bad. Same thing with Fox News when they actually criticize Trump.

    Out of all the outlets you mentioned the only one that I will even entertain the credibility of would be CIA/FBI statistics. Those are raw data numbers, I'll take that. The rest? CNN, Fox, wiki, etc. No I won't take that as fact whether it is for or against Trump because none of them are truthful and there is simply no way to verify what they are saying isn't part of a narrative that they are pushing because they are all pushing a specific narrative and no actual objectionable person can openly deny that regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum.
     
    Nightmare515, Oct 11, 2020
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    557, Lil Mike and Have at it like this.
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    The anti-trumpers do the exact same thing just as often....so what is your point??????
     
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    Why it is impossible to convince a Trump supporter that he/she may be wrong.
    There is nothing more difficult to open than a closed mind. :(
     
    XploreR, Oct 11, 2020
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  21. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    And this is the exact same thing Trump supporters say about non Trump supporters....

    Is it really that difficult to understand that not everybody thinks the same way you do?

    I enjoy watching these up and coming independent journalists running around with cameras live streaming riots and protests on Youtube. They just film, no snippets, no cuts to "a panel of experts for analysis", just hours of raw live footage as they walk around. I was literally watching a live uncut stream from one of these guys filming in Portland as he's filming people throwing bricks through windows and actively destroying a police car and on the other screen of my computer I was watching a 20 minute old CNN "live report" from the EXACT SAME LOCATION titled "Peaceful protests continue in Portland".

    The CNN reporter was THERE, the independent guy even saw them on his camera and said "the mainstream guys are over there it looks like".

    This is the sort of thing folks are talking about. Yet only Republicans are "closed minded"?

    EVERYBODY is guilty is this sort of thing, this isn't just Conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. Folks take comfort in their own echo chambers and that sort of thinking has only increased as the extremely partisan wings of America have firmly entrenched themselves on their respective "sides".

    I can give countless examples of discussing things with my Liberal family and provide raw irrefutable factual data to support my opinion and they will flat out just DENY it. On rare occasions some will actually acknowledge it, but rarely. Usually they change the subject or revert to personally attacking me.

    No, Conservatives are by no means the only closed minded ones. Yes they sure as hell are guilty of that as well but to pretend like it's only one side of the aisle is completely disingenuous.
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My point is that no politician - left or right spread so much and so ridiculous fake news as President Trump. I understand how how someone can defend to build a wall, who don't like Obamacare because his company provides excellent healthcare, who believe in the 2nd amendment, but I don't understand how any American patriot can defend the US president who trusts KGB officer over the US intelligence services. How any American patriot can prefer an army dodger of US soldier soldier who fought in Vietnam.
    For me it is a proof that President Trump is not idiot - to convince American voters to believe in such ridiculous lies he must be a true stable genius who knows how to train his stable.
     
    zalekbloom, Oct 11, 2020
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  23. Have at it

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    Not sure why you put the draft dodging thing in there since Biden is also one
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Biden will try degrade an American soldier who fought and became prisoner, I will say the same about Biden.
     
    zalekbloom, Oct 11, 2020
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    You forgot to mention he almost single handedly sank an American Aircraft carrier
     
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