What is the big deal about Obamacare being declared unconstitutional?

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  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    The GOP has no plan. They have no intention of “replacing” the ACA. They’ve had a decade to unveil a replacement. Trump keeps telling us it’s coming in two weeks.

    Mike Pence started to say that again last week!

    What a joke!
     
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    I'm opposed to that marketing practice because it places patients asking for the drug from their physician. IMO, it has changed the doctor/patient relationship in a negative way.

    I would like to see the FDA expanded to at the very least setup standards for non-prescription supplements. If I choose to try an alternative supplement like echinacea, I want to make sure I'm buying a bottle that actually has echinacea in it. Too many companies selling supplements get away with selling sunshine in a bottle.

    I'm also worried about the limited supply of antibiotic manufacturers. We need them, but these bugs are evolving to become immune to them. Companies aren't researching new antibiotics because there's no money in it. That places the public in danger.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looks like we agree. The FDA has changed since big pharma was able to get their own people in. Years ago, I saw a commercial for a drug to treat "Restless Leg Syndrome" I never knew I had a disease until I saw that commercial. It turns out that the cure is turning off the TV and getting off the couch!
     
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    -I oppose DTC advertising for the exact same reason as you. Many people oppose it because they think it increases the price of drugs and that simply is not the case.

    -As far as expanding the FDA to cover supplements, I see that as not really related to pharma and the FDA. I think doing so would probably open a giant can of worms that would probably put most if not all supplement manufacturers out of business. If any of them did survive, the cost of those supplements would probably increase tenfold or even far more. If your goal is to kill the supplement market, putting them under FDA regulations would be the way to do it. I am not so sure I see that as a positive outcome for society, but its not a big deal to me one way or the other.

    -In regards to antibiotics, I am not sure why you are saying there is not any money in it. Effective antibiotics for treatment resistant strains ( which is why we need new antibiotics) can be priced as high as any other drug that would be used on the same number of patients. Typical pricing in pharma essentially always comes down to the size of its market, and ultimately how that market can recoup the development costs along with an acceptable profit for the 12 or so years of patent protection.
     
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    Yes, Trump's strategy has never made much sense.

    Veto proof doesn't seem likely.

    I'm hoping the Trump Party is defeated so roundly that a trend toward being normal Republicans comes to those few who are left.

    Anyway, yes I agree the public option will provide a powerful alternative to private plans. I think we're at a stage where we can agree that sometimes it's necessary for government to compete with the private sector. This is generally counter to our principles regarding government and private business, but if government can provide a service in the open marketplace, and people choose it over private services, that would seem to be competition that is not only permissible, but warranted.

    We'll see what happens. Democrats aren't known for working quickly, together and forcefully. Any "Tea Party" type movement that springs up should be ignored. We don't need more town halls with tea party types calling Barney Frank, whose grandparents were Jewish immigrants, a Nazi. No need for that nonsense. Draft the legislation. Have the hearings. Make corrections and vote.

    What the Republicans become after a Trump defeat is anybody's guess, but I'm hoping for some cooperation.
     
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    Advertising is a drop in the bucket for big pharma.

    In regards to supplements, I just want the labels to be accurate. That and to publish publicly all info that is known about it. That should not deter honest manufacturers, but it should stop those who are peddling sugar pills. So no, I don't want them regulated like drugs, but I do want them tested to make certain they contain what they say is in it.

    Look how long it took for food manufactures to be forced to add how much added sugars are included in their food labels.
     
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    Because it is great political theater.
     
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    I would have much rather the Dems not blocked the bill last week protecting it...but the EO will do for now...
     
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    So, empty gestures and bluster really are acceptable substitutes for real action in Trumpster world.’

    That was fairly obvious all along, but it was nice of you to directly point it out!
     
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    It doesn’t seem likely to me, either.

    I would like to think that the old Rockefeller Republicans would take the reigns, but I doubt it.

    The conservative movement in the US has become a huge money machine, full of shysters,con men, true believers and armies of flunkies. We are in the midst of a new Guilded Age.

    And they know that they can manufacture another phony movement, finance it, and have it convince the faithful to amen to the corporate agenda.
     
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    empty gesture? there is a real chance the protection. could go away...and the dems continue to block any act in congress. It’s the lest he can do don his own and shows him comment to protecting pre existing. conditions even in the face of dems obstruction
     
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    Yes, the Trump Administration is in court trying to achieve exactly that outcome.

    Moreover, they have no replacement at all, and no intention of presenting one (we’ve been promised one for ten years).

    Trump’s EO has NO force at all. He does not have the power to order companies or individuals to do anything.

    But he knows how to rope a dope folks like you with empty gestures.
     
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    trump admin in court doing what?

    there have been many attempts to replace but the left has obstructed. They literally just did so again last week the Protect Acf
    EO might not, but wirh the dems obstruction it’s the least he can do
     
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    How many people have to tell you something before you believe it? My family's insurance premium more than doubled from $400 to $950 a month. For that cost increase, the "benefits" we received that we did not have before were that we each got a "free" checkup per year that previously required a copay, I got one "free" well-woman visit per year that previously would have required a co-pay, and had I still required birth control, it would have been "free". Our per-person deductible doubled, and our drug plan costs also increased significantly. It may not have been YOUR experience, but it was common when the ACA was enacted, had many people up in arms, and is basically the main reason why Trump was elected. Intended to "solve" the problem of 23 million uninsured (which isn't fully solved anyway), it screwed over MORE people than it helped. A lot depended upon where you lived, worked, income level, etc. In fact, it even hurt people who got their insurance through their employers, because it gave employers a "reason" to justify raising employee contributions, premiums, etc. For many working people, premiums rose significantly (ironically because it was called the AFFORDABLE care act), and deductibles became so expensive that what you had in many cases was a role reversal. The previous have-nots were quite happy, while many of those who had what they considered good to great health insurance before the ACA now had policies they couldn't afford to use for relatively routine care without shelling out a high deductible first....which was less easier to afford because their premiums had often doubled.
     
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    The Trump administration IS in court right now trying to overturn the ACA, and with it, any protection for people with pre existing conditions.

    You’re acting surprised out of disingenuousness or your really are that poorly versed on current events.

    There has yet to be a single proposal from the GOP for a replacement for the ACA. There have been a few slogans, but no plan.

    They’ve been ramming “repeal and replace” into your talk radio head for a decade.

    The GOP has tried repeal 70 times, and is now in court trying for 71.

    Not once have they ever offered a “replace”.
     
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    the trump admin is not party to the lawsuit.

    yes the gop has tried over and over again to fix healthcare and has been blocked..just a few weeks ago, during the pandemic, and.knowing the 5th Circuit already ruled against obamacare the left once again blocked a bill to protect pre existing condictions
     

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