Trump vs Pelosi - Who Won't Help Americans More?

Trump ended the stimulus negotiations and Pelosi doesn't want him getting credit for sending relief to people. She refuses to pass a clean bill with stimulus checks but she was open to it for the airlines a few days ago.

Pelosi Open to Aid for Airlines But Resists Stimulus-Checks Bill - Bloomberg

 

Pelosi Melts Down Live On CNN When Pressed On Stimulus Game Playing!

 

The only Democrat to challenge Pelosi on the stimulus. AOC and the squad are useless.

 

Were with the government and we're here to help!!! I wish the government would stop trying to help me.

 

It's wrong to compare Trump and Pelosi in this regard. Trump is not the holdup. The competition is between Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi.

Trump is a useless megalomaniacal tool, but in this case, at least this week until he randomly decides to cancel negotiations again, he is not to blame.

 

It's also a competition between helping and harming the country.

 

There is no difference. The more our government helps the more harm they do.

 

Trump vs Pelosi - Who Won't Help Americans More?
This is actually the wrong question. Both Trump & Pelosi have called for more help, but McConnell & the Republican Senate refuse to listen. They are the hangup. If you have become unemployed by this pandemic & need financial assistance, you should recognize that your Republican Senator is working against your best interest. Vote him/her out of office, & then Schumer will pass legislation to help. The only people McConnell & his Republicans want to help are those already rich who don't need it.

 

The name of the game is for one party to stop anything and everything that might credit the other party. Welcome to our modern era of polarized, mega, ultra high partisanship where stopping everything the other party proposes takes the highest priority over the good of the nation and her people.

 

That's a myth, and a particularly dumb one.

Capitalism is the result of business and government cooperating. Britain was the first fully capitalist country, in the 1800s, the government had to help manage things again and again. The conservatives held the bulk of the power, they hated it, but they did it anyway because they had to.

They took over the roads and bridges when that threatened to cripple the economy. The government had already been investing in R&D for a century by then. They did an estate tax because they needed to free up capital. You could write a book about it, and a bunch of people have.

 

Funny you should mention roads and bridges. I live in CA and in spite of paying the highest taxes, they had to add a gas tax on top of an existing gas tax to fix our crumbling roads. They also increased registration fees and we still have the worst roads in the country in addition to the worst poverty rate and schools that rank with the lowest.

I am not an anarchist and do support clean water, roads, and basic services. Beyond that, government causes more harm than good. CA is an example of that.

 

I agree that government CAN do more harm than good, but it is equally true that they can do more good. It depends upon who you vote for. If you vote for candidates who hate government than it's assured when they get power, they will give you government you will hate. If you vote for candidates who believe they can help society thru being part of government, then they will give you government that actually does some good. The reason California fell from the leading edge in K-12 education was due to the Jarvis bill, about 1975, that removed funding based on property taxes. After that, everything simply disintegrated over time, until now California is near the bottom of the educational ladder for those grade levels. Jarvis was another politician who hated government.

 

CA loves big government. Low ranking schools are not the result of a lack of funding; it is the result of irresponsibility and inefficiency. Thats why charter schools are growing. Parents are forced to send their kids to the school assigned to them based on their address or face enrollment fraud charges for using a friends address. Several parents have asked to use my address to get their children into our school.

 

So the Democrat govenor who cost a person's their job, is not to blame?

 

No governor, Democrat or Republican, is responsible for the pandemic, but since Trump dumped the load on them instead of dealing with it himself, they became responsible for state led outcomes. You can blame Democrat governors for causing economic stresses if you want, but in all fairness, you must hold Republican governors responsible for rising Covid infections & deaths since they've been reluctant to counter Trump's lying, deceitful public diatribes regarding the pandemic.

 

Nice deception. Trump & McConnell want to help people and small businesses. Pelosi wants to help the governors and legislatures who shut their states down to harm their people and through them, the Trump campaign. We should not be funding campaign violations. We should be prosecuting them.

 

Trump forced each governor to deal with the pandemic within their state, alone & without federal help. The economy wasn't the only issue in this situation. Thousands of our fellow citizens were (& still are) dying around them. Are you suggesting they should be punished for trying to prevent the spread of the deadly pandemic through their states? I'm curious. . .if you were a governor, what would you have done?

 

That's all lies. Trump sent hospital ships to LA and NY and converted the Javits center to address the shortfall the states predicted. He provided aid as requested by the states. CA, NY, IL, MI and other blue states wanted to stay locked down to undermine the economic recovery. Trump didn't deny any request by the states.

 

No governor, Republican or Democrat, kept any state locked down for the purpose of wrecking the economy. Any such charge toward any governor is an outright bare-faced lie--pure propaganda.

 

So, it's just a coincidence that deBlasio & Cuomo endorsed and even participated in protest mobs, but shut down businesses. Same in Portland. Wheeler locked down businesses, but participated in protest mobs. WA, CA, IL, and CO also locked down. MI locked down longer than required. While the intent was to influence the 2020 election, many lives and livelihoods have been destroyed.

Pelosi, BTW, refuses to help people and small businesses unless political lock downs are rewarded for the damage they did to Trump, their states and cities by locking down.

Many people will not recover from stress related illness ,,, many small businesses and business owners will not recover.

Don't need to go to a hospital to find people the Democrats hurt as collateral damage to attacking Trump. Ask your dentist. Stressed out people grinding their teeth have created large dentist bills.

,,,,,,,,,,,,, and when it was all over, WHO admitted it was all a joke ,,, lock downs were both unnecessary and harmful. WHO also admitted that the drug Fauci was planning to make a fortune peddling as the cure, spurring his attack on generic treatments, turns out to be a dud ,,,, useless in curing Covid-19.

Regardless of what happens next month, it turns out that the reason Trump decided in 2015 to run for President, to drain the swamp, was well founded. He may not have been the right guy, but he had that right.

 

The death rate of about 6 times the normal flu is proof enough that Covid is no joke. In the U.S. alone, just in six months, we've lost 224,000 Americans, which is almost 4 times the casualty rate of the Vietnam War over a period of 10 years. This may be a joke to you, but not to me. I don't possess that kind of cold heart. Nor do I want to.

 

I didn't say Covid deaths were a joke. The first US Covid death was said to have occurred on February 6
Trump enlisted our best and brightest, Fauci and Birx, empaneling the task force on January 29. He announced restrictions on travel from China on January 31 to go into effect on February 2, before the first US Covid death. Trump was among the few who took Covid seriously.
Here's NYC's Chinatown on February 9


Mardi Gras ,,, John Bel Edwards' February 25 attack on the Zulus


This is Madrid, International Women's Day on March 8 --- What airport do you suppose Americans returned to?

 

And then he stopped. His commitment to fighting Covid & protecting America continually dissipated during those first few weeks, until by June it was gone. Now he pretends it's no longer a threat to be concerned about, while the truth is it's growing & spreading at an alarming rate again. Plus, he's attacked the leading experts personally along with the top political institutions responsible for guiding the public thru a pandemic, eroding their ability to function. Trump is a national disaster that needs to be replaced ASAP. I hope the American voters retire him Nov 3.

 

... and then he banned travel from Europe ,,, all the while replacing the PPE Bush stockpiled and Obama/Biden depleted without any concern for the next president dealing with the next pandemic after their swine flue. Trump restored our ability to manufacture PPE and Ventilators that was outsourced to China by his predecessors and other people who betrayed the US for the past 47 years. He launched R&D efforts to find vaccines and treatments ,,, while fighting off enemies within like Chris Murphy, Joe Biden and others beholden to the Chinese Communist Party.

Are you a Chinese Troll?

 

It's consistent with Trumpian behaviors to insult anyone who dares disagree with you. Accusing me of being a "Chinese Troll" because you can't deal with anyone who dares disagree with you is very much in line with what Trump would do. Trump is now calling for his political opponents to be arrested & jailed. No American President or candidate for that office has ever advocated such an action, so it sounds utterly unAmerican. But it sounds like actions taken by many despotic rulers--dictators--around the world, including the late Hitler & Mussolini. Democracies don't function well under one man domination. That's part of what's wrong with our current situation. Trump is NOT a team player. Trump is incapable of placing trust in others. He's a one man show. That is anathema to American democracy. No one who supports Trump is anyone who values democracy, human equality, or individual freedom--because Trump himself doesn't. I am a liberal because I DO value those ideals. I believe the only way to really "Make America Great," is to live up to those ideals expressed in our Declaration of Independence in our daily lives for the first time ever.