If Biden wins, he should pardon Donald Trump

Pretty sure it has been around for decades if not longer.

 

Why would NY care about it being politically awkward for them to investigate and try Trump for state crimes?

 

It would be awkward to do so if their president and party leader who has just taken office had basically publicly made the point that prosecuting Donald Trump isn't worth the time and effort.

 

Okay. So what?

 

In a way, it would make sense for Biden to pardon him for his 4 years of political ineptitude, while letting Justice follow its course on the NY state level for his fiscal frauds that started way before he was elected.

 

There is no evidence that this was planted by Russia. If you read past the headline, in the middle of the 10th paragraph--yes, you have to read to the 10th paragraph--these officials, several of whom, according to this story, support Biden, said, "We do not have evidence of Russian involvement." This is the standard procedure of the liberal mainstream press--they have a misleading headline and the truth is sandwiched in the middle of the actual article, which most low-information voters don't get to; and the media knows this; this is the heart of fake news.

 

New York is very closely tied to events in Washington D.C. You don't want to piss off the new president and head of your own party by doing something that stands a good chance of making him look bad.

Get that?

 

I don't agree that state politics are so closely tied to DC that they would just let all the money spent fighting to get his taxes go to waste. I know Trump demands that insane level of loyalty from his side, but folks shouldn't automatically assume the same of libs.

 

It isn't a matter of loyalty. It is not wanting to make the new president, the leader of your party for the next four years minimal, look like an idiot. if the Southern District of New York went forward with prosecuting Trump after President Biden had pardoned him, it would be effectively saying "See!. The state of New York can do a better job than President Biden"

 

I have no doubt that's how Trump sycophants will see it, especially after their masters on Fox portray it that way. I give everyone else a little more credit.

 

I hope you're not labeling me as a "Trump sycophant".

 

I'm not sure what, other than a guilty conscience, would lead you to think that I was.

 

I get called things like that all the time just because I support President Trump due to some (not all) of the policies he advances.

 

Agree.
The only problem was, the Dems had absolutely no control of the investigation process. (And really didn’t want it.) Had the Dems won the Senate, it would have been a whole new ball game. They would be forced to go all the way. You’re exactly right about Mueller, the limits and scope of the investigation was under complete control of the DOJ and key Republicans and a couple of Dems in Battle ground states.

Impeaching was always the final solution and the scope of the Mueller investigation always opted short of that. Only when Trump pulled the Ukraine debacle did the dem base of the house feel compelled to impeach, an act they knew would fail in the senate and had less then max support from a few Dems.

Eventually, IMO, we’ll find that between Moscow Mitches involvement with foreign governments and money making schemes with his wife, meant that he would give no support along with most republicans in the senate and House and some key DEMS in both houses as well. Some depended upon foreign monies as well. The real scandal is yet to be uncovered. It’s wider then Trump alone. Foreign monies will be found to include members of both parties.

The Dems are not going crazy over foreign money throughout the Republican party for one reason. They have involvement themselves.

 

Trump is begging to be impeached. Every time he brags about crimes, it means he intends doing it or already has.

Felony bribery...here it comes if re-elected ! Maybe, already !

 

Biden can only pardon for Federal offences. Trump will still spend his final days in state courts.

That aside. The US is supposed to be the beacon of freedom and how can we tell countries to hold their rulers accountable if we just pardon everyone without a trial first? No, Trump should get his day in court if the next admin uncovers nefarious activities.

 

The investigations haven’t really begun until he releases his tax returns. I don’t have faith that he will be prosecuted for his many tax crimes, but like many Americans just want to see the returns and learn the extent of how far he walked all over The law. I would be happy with a punishment of never hearing him speak in public or write anything that is published ever again. It’s a given that he is a liar , a cheat, and a con just like his scumbag racist slumlord Daddy; but really I dream of a world where he just goes away.
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Sounds like you agree Biden committed Crimes and the law is out to get him.

 

There was no purpose to what Mueller did when he admits in part one of the report that nobody at all in the Trump campaign worked with the Russians. You can't indict for working with the russians when the prosecutor says you never did.

Look at the Mueller prosecutions. Were any over things Trump did? Well no they were not. Were they directed at others who were charged with crimes such as in the past, prior to Trump, working with Ukraine? Gee so did Hunter Biden and Democrats do not want him prosecuted. And he was peddling influence.

 

Mueller didn't actually get the documents from Trump that could actually prove any crimes. Mueller also didn't actually get any of the key people to testify. In Ken Starr, the Republicans choose a Republican hitman who was bloodthirsty and wanted to make Clinton hurt. The Democrats chose a Republican career by-the-book prosecutor who worked on Trump's timetable and essentially ended the report not finding enough evidence of criminal conduct, yet not exonorating Trump. That's ok. If Trump loses, even if Pence pardons Trump for his federal crimes, the prosecutors of New York will do what Mueller didn't.

The mistake they made was choosing a by-the-book career prosecutor instead of a partisan hit man like Starr. How could Mueller make the case for anything when he didn't subpoena the relevant documents and question the key people?

I have no idea what you are referring to here. I have never claimed "we got him" or anything of the sort. Also, I have always used the term "unindicted" which specifically means no grand jury has indicted or he would be "indicted."

 

When Trump wins he should not pardon the Big Guy Biden. He got kickbacks from China, and was part of the obamagate gang that undermined the peaceful transition of power

 

What he wrote was that there was insufficient evidence that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia in the 2016 election. Of course, since Mueller didn't actually subpoena the necessary documents (i.e. Trump's tax forms), and since he didn't actually interrogate any of the necessary people (i.e. Trump, his family, etc.), it really shouldn't be a surprise that he didn't identify enough specific evidence. Despite that, he found 10 instances of likely obstruction and he clearly stated the report did not exonerate the President, who he could not have indicted anyway since he is currently in office.

 

If Biden wins, he should prosecute Donald Trump

 

Here is what every Democrat does.

Trump = presumption of guilt
Biden = presumption he is innocent

Weird if you ask me

 

I would love to see Trump prosecute both Bidens.