Why most US Jews still (!) support the Democrats

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  1. Thunderbolt

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    The American “progressives” claim that the Democratic party has not become anti-Semitic, because most US Jews still support it.
    Their critics point at the shocking poll results:

    “But if there is one number that you can learn from a deep dive into the survey’s findings, it’s that only 28 percent of the Jews polled say that support for Israel is one of the most important issues that determine how they vote. That puts it on the bottom of a list of issues presented to them, ranking far below concerns about protecting Medicare and Social Security (the No. 1 issue), health care, gun control, abortion, the Supreme Court, education, taxes and immigration, among others. As the executive summary of the poll summed it up, “Israel is the lowest policy priority for Jewish voters.”

    https://www.jns.org/opinion/what-happens-when-israel-is-your-lowest-priority/

    But even these critics fail to explain, why children and grandchildren of the Holocaust survivors gave up “Never again !” in favor of “health care, gun control, abortion, the Supreme Court, education, taxes and immigration”

    Jewish myself, I will try to.

    The Jews have never lived in vacuum and thus over the course of centuries have embraced a few political, social and cultural concepts popular among our Gentile teachers, neighbors, friends and even foes.
    Some of these concepts and ideas (Aristotelian philosophy, Indo-Arab numbers, violin, chess) were positive, some other (popular superstitions, secular holidays) harmless, but a few more destructive.
    And the most destructive and most absurd Gentile idea, embraced by the significant number of the Jews, and not just by some assimilated outsiders (like socialism or anarchism) is a “Tikkun Olam” stuff.
    In 1910 the Christian thinker Prince Evgenii Trubetskoy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Nikolaevich_Trubetskoy

    described (and harshly condemned) the concept of so-called “Gentile Messianism”.

    This concept claims that your own (Gentile) nation is "God-carrying people(Dostoyevsky about his fellow Russians), chosen by the Lord to “amend the world”, to turn it into the Paradise on earth through leading other races and killing those, who are refusing to be lead. The very same Dostoyevsky called the Russian Empire to capture the city of Istanbul, massacring or expelling its (Moslem) population .


    The Jewish “Tikkun Olam” concept, founded a few decades later (soon after the Second World War) is both a copy and a bizarre travesty of the “Gentile Messianism”.
    The Jewish “Tikkun Olam” adherents claim as well, that the Jews are chosen by the Lord or by the very course of history (not all are believers) to “amend the world”, to turn it into the Paradise on earth. Not through leading resp. killing the Gentiles (God forbid !), but as servants, as slaves, as cannon fodder of the non-Jews; as sacrificial lambs to be slaughtered at the altar of the “just and fair world” !
    In Israel (struggling for survival every day), in the post-Holocaust Europe, in the virulently anti-Semitic far-right and far-left South American states this stuff largely fell on deaf ears. However, in the rather safe and stable USA it soon poisoned hearts and minds of most Jews.


    Still, you could claim that a Jewish doctor, Jewish engineer, Jewish architect serves the non-Jews or that a Jewish firefighter, Jewish police officer, Jewish GI sacrifices himself or herself to the Gentiles - through his or her very profession. You could even claim that a major element of “Tikkun Olam” is the support of Israel – after all it is the only Middle East country, where the Gentiles are not persecuted – for religious, national or political reasons.

    However the increasingly anti-Semitic (and anti-American) US “liberals” hijacked the “Tikkun Olam” stuff and convinced (most) American Jews that the world (the entire world) will turn it into the Paradise on earth if the USA (and only the USA) embrace everything defined by the local (Gentile) “progressives” as “social rights”, may it be “Medicare and Social Security, health care, gun control, abortion,” “boys claiming to be girls in the girls shower rooms” or just (most recently) the toppling of every single monument called “racist”.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/289871/democratic-party-becoming-unsalvageable

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Obama-on-Passover-Together-we-can-continue-work-of-tikkun-olam-396120

    There is an Old Aztec tale about the sick and weak god Nanahuatzin, who was expected by his fellow deities to care only about his own ills, but nevertheless committed a voluntary self-immolation to “warm and enlighten the Universe”.
    The Jewish “tikkun-olamers” perceive themselves (and their families and the entire Jewish people) as a kind of “human Nanahuatzin”.

    And if not just a proud member of Louis Farrakhan’s fan club run for President but “Rev.” Farrakhan himself, if he first repeated: “Satanic Jews control the media ! Judaism is the gutter faith ! Hitler was a very great man ! I am black Hitler ! You cannot say "Never again" to God because when he puts you in the oven, you're in one indeed!” than promised “Having won the presidential election I will kill every Jew on the earth !”, but finally added “And I will also … hmmm. How is it ? … amend the world through … hmmm. How is it ? … securing the social rights in the USA !” some 70 % of the US Jews would nevertheless back him for President !

    See

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/02/01/had_news_media_done_its_job_obama_would_not_have_become_president_136153.html

    https://www.jta.org/2019/05/22/united-states/survey-shows-continued-strong-jewish-disapproval-of-trump-heightened-concerns-on-anti-semitism

    Heed that the poll was taken already after the photograph has surfaced !

    In conclusion I would like to quote the Talmudic sages, who called the Jews to “study the wisdom of Edom” i.e. of the non-Jewish world.
    They were absolutely right, but unfortunately some of us cannot tell “the wisdom of Edom” from its “madness” !
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    most Jews support the Democrats because the Democrats best align without our beliefs of freedom, tolerance, helping the needy, forgiveness, and moderation.
     
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    "Our beliefs".

    Are Jews a homogeneous bloc of people? What's your opinion of Jews who do not conform to your ideal of what a Jew should be?
     
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    our voting record seems to suggest we are mostly Liberals.
     
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    Yes, freedom, tolerance, helping the needy, forgiveness, and moderation are Jewish beliefs - and Jewish values
    However, the mass suicide to "amend the world" or rather to "protect the social rights in America" is not.

     
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    mass suicide?

    where did u come up with that garbage?
     
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    Still, as a matter of fact "amending the world" is no Jewish belief at all, but a gravely distorted Gentile one.
    A Gentile "world-amender" tells

    A Jewish "world-amender" tells

     
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    The jews mostly live in place where they would be outvoted anyway so it really is a matter of pretending you are important and made a difference or admitting you really aren't that influential at all. Vanity favors the latter.
     
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    Please read the very first (longer) messsage in this thread !
     
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    Tikkun olam (Hebrew: תיקון עולם‎, lit. 'repair of the world') is a concept in Judaism, interpreted by some within Orthodox Judaism as the prospect of overcoming all forms of idolatry,[1] and by other Jewish thinkers as an aspiration to behave and act constructively and beneficially.[2]

    Documented use of the term dates back to the Mishnaic period (ca. 10–220 CE). Since medieval times, kabbalistic literature has broadened use of the term. In the modern era, among the post-Haskalah movements, tikkun olam is the idea that Jews bear responsibility not only for their own moral, spiritual, and material welfare, but also for the welfare of society at large.
     
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    Tikkun Olam is an ancient Jewish concept that it is our responsibility to help heal the world.

    its a great thing.

    thats why Orthodox Jews go around to Gentiles telling them about the Noachide Laws, so Jews AND non-Jews can together heal the world and bring about Moshiach.
     
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    And the (Talmudic) term "Tikkun Olam" doesn't have anything in common with "amending the world through supporting the American progressives".
    It merely refers to some spiritual practices, that were supposed to have a positive effect in "another world"
     
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    Jews being loyal to the democratic party could be a myth -- just like the myth that the democratic party helps the black folks. My mother was a registered democrat but when I ran each issue by her she realized she was a republican.
     
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    It is not about "vanity", but about the self-destruction, perceived as self-sacrifize

     
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    I did not refer to all American Jews, but "only" to the vast majority of approximately 70 %
     
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    how is healing the world, helping the poor, helping the sick, bringing a more just society, "self-destruction"?


    you're not making sense.
     
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    Yes, the US Democrats make a vague claim that they are "healing the world, helping the poor, helping the sick, bringing a more just society".
    Thus anything else - burning the Israeli (and American) flags, chanting “Death to America !” and “Death to Israel !” (remember BLM and “Antifa”), praising Hitler (remember Louis Farrakhan), vandalizing the synagogues (remember Los Angeles), burning Bibles (remember Portland), smashing the Holocaust memorials (remember Santa Rosa), supporting the Nazi-inspired BDS (remember the "Democratic Socialists", demanding a "State" for Fatah and Hamas, providing nuclear arms and hundred of billion dollars to the genocidally AntiSemitic and anti-American Iranian regime (remember nuclear Iran "deal) is considered by the (mainline) US Jews as a kind of "collateral damage"
     
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    and we are.

    jewish contributions to science, medicine, sociological understanding, definitely is helping to heal the world.
     
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    This reads like many American Jews have decided that modern American liberalism is just a smarter and better way to improve things around here, and you have spent a ridiculous amount of time finding a lot of sentences, cultural and theological analysis and citations to spin the same sentiment into paragraphs of patronizing spite and condescending drivel.


    Here's the deal. These Jews to which you have devoted so much attention here, just don't agree with your politics and because they don't live in Israel, have decided that they should prioritize the politics of where they live, and their kids live. See how simple I made this for you?
     
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    I have to repeat.

     
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    most Jews in the USA are moderate and Liberal.

    like me.

    we help and strive to heal the world, and it needs a lot of healing.
     
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    God has always had problems with his "stiff necked" people.. I always figured when he took them as his Chosen, that he took the hardest bunch, and let the other gods have the rest.. just to show his fairness. Satan is a big complainer and a legalist.. ya' know
     
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    What will remain from "anything defined by the local (Gentile) “progressives” as “social rights”, may it be “Medicare and Social Security, health care, gun control, abortion,” “boys claiming to be girls in the girls shower rooms” or just (most recently) the toppling of every single monument called “racist”" if a far left extremist / Fascist regime intenionally exposes America (and Israel) to the Iranian nuclear strike ?!
    Or (intentionally as well) drives the USA into the bloodiest civil war in the human history , with tens of millions innocent people butchered in cold blood by the racist gangs just for the “crime” of being black or white or Latino or Asian or Catholic or Protestant or Orthodox or Mormon or non-Christian.
    And with Jews caught between the fronts and murdered for being either "too white" or "not white enough" ?!
     
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