Economists don't like Trump

He is no less ignorant than those claiming to be economists. His point was that we would save money and he is right. Is it the right move for the country, I don't think so.

I am surprised you were not aware of the fact that the Chinese are buying up our real estate.

 

Bull ****.

No, he isn't. We've known this since at least 1776. Trade creates wealth for both sides of the exchange. That's why people trade. No, we would not save money if we didn't trade.

Not something I've ever denied.

 

Hugo Chavez saying the nominee is left of him is all the qualifications required. It doesn't matter that socialism hasn't worked anywhere, ever. Has Hugo spoken to you from on high ,,, told you how he managed to convert massive oil wealth into abject failure?

 

I am not trying to change your mind. "Economists" get it wrong on a regular basis and I am surprised when people trust their claims and predictions.

Q. What's the difference between an economist and a befuddled old man with Alzheimer's?

A. The economist is the one with the calculator.

On the issue of China buying up our real estate while we buy cheap crap that will be obsolete electronic waste in a few years, you said that was unfounded.

You are welcome to trust or doubt any politician or economist you like. I respect your opinion. Personally, I don't trust either and history provides more than enough reasons not to.

 

Not with regards to trade creating wealth and importers paying tariffs. Those are things they get right and Trump gets wrong.

Your continued attempts to run away from the facts are adorable but nonsensical. Trade creates wealth. Trump is wrong about trade draining our wealth and he is wrong about China paying the tariffs we put on their goods.

No, what I said was that the paranoia regarding this was unfounded.

I'll keep sticking with reality. Feel free to do the same if you wish. And I hope that one day you learn that Trump has put tariffs on more than just China. One day.

 

Not sure I follow you, tariffs is what built this country and what paid for it before 1913, tariffs was always a liberal view .

 

Tariffs are economically destructive, and they are paid by the importers no the exporters. I'm not sure what you aren't following.

Yes, the left loves tariffs. So do mercantilists. I'm neither. I like capitalism, and I've learned something since 1776. Which are you, a leftist or a mercantilist?

 

This is simple. There are more people on the take from CCP than there are patriots these days. Xi had already violated every norm and was about ready to impose the CCP's will on the world when Trump showed up on the scene. The civilized world has outsourced huge amounts of production to China and China has in turn stolen our intellectual property. Xi's threat to halt shipments of needed medical supplies in the middle of the pandemic tells the story. Xi believes that China is the only sovereign nation in the world and he wants to cement that position at all cost. The only thing that stands in his way is a US President that can't be bought. He can buy 'experts' to discredit Trump. He can buy a Presidential candidate who has a history of selling out the US for personal gain. He can buy Senators like Chris Murphy.

So, nothing you come up with is credible. As long a Xi can control the narrative, he will control the narrative. There is nothing to stand in his way.

BTW, did you listen to Trump's tape of the Leslie Stahl interview? Tell me no one's pulling her strings. She was absolutely hateful, prejudiced and unlike the Leslie Stahl we've seen for years.

 

Saying economists got it right requires the ability to see the future. Economists are often wrong, but at least they make weather forecasters look better by comparison.

Chinese buy our real estate and we buy their cheap crap. If it is true, it cannot be considered paranoia. You were incorrect.

I am not running from facts. I support moving as much manufacturing out of China as quickly as possible. My opinion is based on facts:

China encourages theft of our intellectual property.
China's record on human rights and child labor.
China's pollution eventually makes its way back here and is much worse than if we kept manufacturing here.

I strongly disagree with Trump on this issue, with the exception of China.

 

Nothing I said involved forecasts of any kind. I'll kindly ask you to stop making stuff up.

We sell them real estate because we profit from the exchange. We buy their goods (no, not just "cheap crap") because we profit from the exchange.

You empirically are.

And if you want us to engage in economically harmful measures in order to combat these things, I'm willing to have that discussion. But it IS economically harmful to us.

And if China were an exception, you've have a point. Instead, Trump has waged tariffs on other countries and you can't seem to make up your mind if you disagree with him on tariffs in those countries or not. If you understand that the other tariffs are harmful, then you would have to take back your first couple of sentences. Which is it?

 

Trump has set this country on a path to another depression and it's not gonna be pretty, covid actually may have delayed it a year or two, but it's gonna happen, we passed the point of no return

 

I made my position clear. I said I strongly disagree with Trump with the exception of China. I don't see how repeating the facts I posted over and over again makes your case.

Your claim is that it will be economically harmful to the US and you could be wrong. We could easily end up in a better position with better trading partners that don't steal from us. You don't know any more than so called economists who are also wrong on a regular basis. Replacing cheap labor is a lot easier than replacing a paying customer like the US.

 

Then you would agree that he's generally wrong on tariffs . . . which you refuse to do. Why?

You haven't posted any facts relevant to your position, and you keep waffling on the facts I've presented, one moment saying I'm right and the next saying that Trump is right. Make up your mind.

Restricting trade is economically harmful. You really need more econ 101 on this?

Complete nonsense. Trade isn't "stealing." You keep waffling. Please decide where you land so we can actually have a conversation.

 

So a group of economists, make a prediction that has nothing to do with the economy, but it's supposed to impress everybody into changing their minds, or support their existing choice, to vote for Biden, because democracy?

Well then. I've got a proctologist that has been making predictions about the economy that we all need to listen to!

 

While I disagree with Trump on tariffs, China is an exception. No waffling, this has been clearly stated several times.

Econ 101? Career economists get it wrong on a regular basis.

China steals our intellectual property. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Sorry I don't trust economists, politicians, or random people on the internet. Your opinion, and the opinions of so called "Economists" are no better than monkeys throwing darts. We can absolutely end up in a much better position moving away from China.

 

I once considered a career in proctology. (I heard there were a lot of openings!)

 

One second you say you agree on tariffs, China excepted, the next you say that no one knows what they are talking about on tariffs, even economists. Which is it? And please stop pretending that the tariffs only involve China. You are smarter than that.

 

You have been correct 3 times. I never claimed that tariffs only involved China, thus the term "exception"

This article about economists not liking Trump has no more value than an article on monkeys throwing darts concluding Trump is bad for the economy.

 

Why not, everybody else has.

 

That's a lot of koolaid.

China just isn't that involved. Putin, however, is.

 

We now know that the only US candidate who colluded with Putin was Hillary. We can patiently wait to see if the DOJ does a better job with Federal Election Law Violations than they did in enforcing espionage laws in 2016.

 

Take a sip ,,,
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13497/china-sovereign-state

 

That doesn't support your assertions.

For a long time, Chinese spying was low tech and low cost. They are way behind the curve.

This is just a lame attempt to divert attention from Putin, and when I say lame, I mean goofball silly..