The Clock is Ticking on the GOP's Aging Grasp on Power

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  1. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    They may well yet!

    I thought this was an interesting example

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/30/arizona-us-election-donald-trump-suburbs-maricopa
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Political parties adjust to meet the existing situation. Back in 1964 the Republicans nominated the most conservative candidate, probably ever in Barry Goldwater. He lost by 22 points, the Democrats gained an 68-32 advantage in the senate and a 295-140 advantage in the house. It was said at the time it would take 20 years for the GOP to recover. But they adjusted, by 1968, just four years later Nixon was elected president, probably one of the most liberal presidents this side of FDR when it came to domestic policy and since.

    The same was said for the Republicans after Watergate, Carter won the presidency, the democrats took a 63-37 majority in the senate and a 292-143 house advantage. Yet after four years, Reagan won the presidency, the Republicans gain control of the senate. Then came the Republican lock on the presidency or so we were told by numerous books written during Reagan. It would be 30 years before any democrat would be able to win the presidency.

    So the Democrats adjusted this time, they came up with one of the more conservative candidate in Bill Clinton and won. Bill was about as conservative as Reagan, but since he had a D next to his name, most folks don't look at him that way. Just like they don't look at Nixon being very liberal. But their actions proves that they were and not what the public perception has.

    My point is adjustments are made by both major parties when they need to. People move back and forth, especially in today's political world where independents have risen to around 40%. Those not loyal, nor affiliated with any major party. They swing wildly. They can vote democratic 60-40 as they did in 2006 and 2008, then vote 60-40 Republican as they did in 2010. It all depends on which party they get angry at.

    These independents voted for Trump and the republican congressional candidates in 2016, then switched to voted for Democratic congressional candidates by a 56-42 margin in 2018. In 2020 they'll probably vote democratic which the polls showing they will. They could easily switch in 2022 if the democrats make them angry at them. Which is very possible as history has shown.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Too bad that you have ZERO factual information to support your OPINION and no, Partisan BIASED Rasmussen is NOT a credible source.
     
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    I am in a urban area we have no opportunity no liberty no justice. I’m just reporting what I see
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Joe is worth a PALTRY $9 million after a lifetime of "conniving" and "money-grabbing" according to Forbes.

    This is why I am pointing out that you have ZERO evidence to support your allegations about him and his family, Cy.
     
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    He’s worth $9 million. What about the 10% he was given?
     
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    While what you state is true it all occurred under essentially identical demographics and economics.

    What we have NOW are DIFFERENT demographics and economics.

    Yes, the Establishment Dems are adapting to the Progressives albeit obstructing as much as they can in the process.

    What I am NOT seeing is even an acknowledgement, let alone any adaption, by the GOP to these changing demographics and economics.
     
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    They don’t know how to think. The same young people who elected Kennedy and Johnson, voted for Reagan.

    the OP likes is older, uninsured, and has never had a job that was going anywhere. He can’t see himself switching sides because he can’t see himself doing the thing you mentioned
     
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    Thank you for acknowledging that you have ZERO factual substantiation for your OPINION.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    My experience is a fact but take care.. all cries of racial oppression only comes from towns run by democrats
     
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    None of the parties adjusted until they had too. It was an after the fact adjustment. It was after they got blown out of the water. After the 2012 lost to Obama, you seen the GOP begin an outreach toward Hispanics. That came to an abrupt end when Trump entered the fray. Yet 28% of Hispanics voted for Trump vs. 27% for Romney. Now that is a far cry from the 31% McCain received or the 40% G.W. Bush received. But surprising especially when one considers the anti-Hispanic rhetoric by Trump. According to the polls, Trump is still running 28% among Hispanics.

    What I expect is once Trump loses, that outreach toward Hispanics will pick up steam among Republicans. I think the GOP has given up on trying to attract blacks. But Hispanics seems to be doable. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Hispanic as the Republican VP nominee in 2024. Someone like ex-Republican Governor Susan Martinez of New Mexico. But before any of this happens, the Trumpers first must be put into their place. Sanity must return to the GOP. Which might be easier than you think. There is nothing like being totally out of power that can unite a party where the party totally in power seems to fracture.

    Time will tell.
     
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    after Trump loses, the GOP will say Trump was a RINO and they never supported him
     
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    Yeah, I read that, too. But not even as expert a financial-analysis organization as Forbes is can probe for all the assets that are hidden away, with complete "plausible deniability". 8)

    Be satisfied, Te, that your faction has WON. :banana: . <COMMENTS EDITED>

    [​IMG]. "I give them ten years max until they finish destroying THEMSELVES...."
     
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    What about it? We don't know if he ever actually got it, and even if he did, there's nothing illegal about getting 10% equity in a company.
     
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    If Joe Biden had been awarded 10% in a legitimate, above-board business deal, Forbes would have known it.

    Aside: It's amazing to watch these radical Democrats fall all over themselves to impeach Donald Trump with two Articles of Impeachment that didn't even list specific crimes, BUT -- they completely deny or totally ignore the facts provided by Tony Bobulinski, complete with actual first-person information generated by Hunter Biden and others in the Biden Family Crime Syndicate.
     
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    We don't have any evidence that he actually ever decided to take them up on the 10% equity. And the articles of impeachment did list specific high crimes and misdemeanors. According to the WSJ and Fox, who reviewed Bobulinski's "evidence," they found no proof of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden.

    Meanwhile, the Trumps have been knee-deep in con games, investor fraud, tax evasion, stealing from charity, etc. for years. I have much, much better reason to believe that theirs is a "Family Crime Syndicate."
     
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    Why?
    Do people become more racist as they age? No.
    Do they want other citizens to lose rights, gays, etc? No.

    You weren't born that way, you were taught it.
     
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    Trump has always been the true RINO, he's really never had a political ideology. The seven time party switcher switches his views, his positions on the issues every time he switches party. He stands for nothing except for himself.
     
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    By being open and equal to all people, yes they have.
    Now, why is that such a terrible thing to you?

    Are you wanting discriminate?
    What about our education system makes you make your claim? Got some proof to your claim?
     
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    Well if you don’t report it on your taxes it is, money laundering
     
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    No, it's tax evasion, not money laundering. And there's still no evidence that this happened.
     
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    Well if you send American money ( influence peddling) to a foreign country and get a cut back you don’t report,, what’s that called?
     
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    Paying American currency to a foreign business isn't "influence peddling" on this planet or any other. And your statement about a "cut back" makes no sense. If he got money that he didn't report on his taxes, then yes, he'd likely be pulling a Trump and engaging in some tax evasion. But there's no evidence that happened.
     
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    I want American history brought back. I want this common core bullshit gone and math taught the right way. I want a return to morality.
     
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    Such as?

    Common core isn't "wrong" math. It's another way of visualizing math that is focused on helping people understand the "why" behind it. Both common core and the "standard" way of teaching math have their faults.

    You aren't going to get that through Presidential elections . . . or any elections.
     
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