Smooth Transition or Chaos & Obstruction??

Are you denying the evidence of MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD?

 

Yes. I'm denying there is any evidence

 

1) Grownups need evidence. Which you do not have. It's why Trump keeps losing in court, he doesn't have a case, he has a joke in incredibly bad taste.

No voter fraud..

2) Trump is trying to do what Putin did. Do you want that? I sure as hell don't. He's trying to nullify a legitimate election and make himself president for life.

 

That's idiotic..or are you just a sadist , and don't really care about the truth as long as you can rile things up? Just askin'

 

I'm not sure it is. You spoke of certain duties and processes due to the "president elect" that have to do with national security. I would think, in the interest of national security, such processes would not take place until we officially have a "president elect". And we don't officially have a "president elect" until he has officially won the election.

 

Blind loyalty (in the face of blatant egregious behavior) isn't American either.

 

Another cautionary tale about worrying changes in the Pentagon

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mornin...akes-pentagon-plus-unbelievable-hole-n1247380

 

Glad we agree! Now let's convince the rest.

 

I would posit that what was done to Trump by the democrats and their propaganda machine over the last four years was far more egregious and damaging than anything Trump has done to anyone else.

 

What was *done* to Trump?

 

You been under a rock for the last 4 years? C'mon man.

 

No, I haven't been under a rock. What has been "done" to Trump?

 

It is a distinction without a difference because what we are talking about should have already started.

 

Gosh, where have we seen that before?? I remember Dems actually going out and bawling on the street in 2016. And, has Hilary stopped saying the election "was stolen" from her? Expect obstruction.

 

This is absolutely and totally false.

Presidents elect get significant information concerning what's really going on. That includes on all issues, such as for national security.

The point here is that setting up a new government without such information is not what America needs. We need a transition that is aware of the truth - of real information.

That has happened for all previous presidents a long way back. And, it has NOTHING to do with wheter there is a change in the party of the president.

Obama invited Trump, offering an open view of what was going on in his administration. The same is true for Bush when he turned over our government to Obama. The same is true when Clinton turned over his administration to Bush. The same is true when GHWBush turned over his administration to Clinton.

Etc.

 

No, that is NOT what the issue is here.

The issue is how our elected leadership carries out the orderly transition from one president to another that is how our democracy works and always has worked.

And, the level of disappointment of various parts of the public is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant to that transition.

 

Kennedy was the first to kind of get one from Ike

 

I'll accept this as a retraction of your earlier claim.

 

I am not aware of an error I said.

 

IF the American people had some sense of pride and justice they would throw the whole election results on the manure pile and refuse to acknowledge a cheater and crook as their president.
The Justice department should declare the election results as null and void, extend the sitting President's term for the next four years to guaranty a fairly smooth continuation of business as usual. THAT would make the parties to take note and stop cheating next time. Also, the American people would gain great admiration and respect from the rest of the world!! It would set a precedent for future cheaters!

 

In post #34 you said:
"This whole transition thing is relatively new, we never used to do it and it worked just fine."

And, I pointed out that your statement has been false for at least a good number of decades.

 

You're right: publishing the truth about Dirty Donnie by the Democrats did far more damage to Trump than him lying for 4 years. Thankfully.

 

I consider Kennedy recent history, anyone living from an Era is recent in political history.

 

Trump may accept the results, but he'll never concede he lost, aides say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-lost-aides-say-n1247445?cid=eml_nbn_20201111

That would fit his psychological profile. His psyche cannot handle the idea of losing......as he has been programmed all his life that losing was not an option.

He also HAS to CONTROL the narrative. Put in basic terms: he is a control freak. He HAS to dominate the station.

We will see what phrasing he will accept.

Reality: his mental fitness for the job is highly questionable. (as the world has seen)

 

I really don't believe you are making any kind of point here.

What Trump is doing TODAY is damaging America.

It's an assault on our democracy. It's an assault on our peaceful turnover of power. It's a demonstration to the rest of the world that our democracy is a weaker form of government than we hae claimed. It's damaging to our national security. It's damaging to the will of this nation to work together on serious problems we face.

To me, it's just plain traitorous. And, it is so in a way that has NO upside, as if it ever turned out that Trump WAS able to find votes, the preparation for handoff would not have been damaging in any way.