Realistically speaking, is there anything that would convince Trump base there wasn't massive fraud?

Sorry but trump not winning is not proof of cheating.

 

Did I speak of proof? Nobody to the Right of Center cares what Biden supporters think of the Dem Party's election theft. Just like the Left knew that an already known-to-be Russian disinformation dossier bought by Hillary Clinton was proof of Trump/Russia collusion and thus a righteous basis for a two-and-a-half years long investigation and politically motivated smear campaign against Trump and that charges that are neither High Crimes and nor Misdemeanors were justifiable grounds for impeachment, Trump supporters know that massive numbers of Trump votes vanishing or being turned into Biden votes while Biden-only ballots mysteriously keep turning up by the dump truck loads means that the Dem Party stole this election. Cool, eh?

More to the point, the Right is going to be considering Biden to be an illigitimate president. But as I pointed out earlier, that does not matter. Nothing is going to change because of that. After his wife coaches the dementia patient into taking the oath of office, effectively Biden will be acting as president -- until Kamala takes it away from him at some point during the next four years. So be it.

 

So are you admitting there was some fraud? And DHS did not say there was no mass fraud. From what I read, they implied there was no outside interference.

 

So what makes this election different than past elections?

 

Which is the way Trump supporters see it. They KNOW Trump lost and they don't CARE

Which is the way alt.rightists see things anyway. Elections? What? Do we ask the cattle in the field how they want to be herded? Do we inquire of the pigs when they wish to be slaughtered and eaten? It is the place of the rulers to rule and the ruled to obey. God has appointed everyone in his place according to his wisdom. Elections are blasphemy and will be done away with soon.

 

I just wanted to point out the implicit sexism in that competition. Men have wider arm spans so they can pack more TV inches...

 

This is the new standard practice of the left. They tell you what other people are thinking. They are all mind readers. A good example is when Muslim terrorists commit acts of mass murder and and say they are doing it for Allah, the left will always say that is has nothing to do with Islam. They know better than the terrorist who committed the act.

Do I believe the Democratic Party's moral compass is so broken that it is capable of massive fraud to win this election? Yes.
Do I believe they engaged in it enough to flip the election? I do not know.
Do I believe they manufactured enough votes to give them popular edge? I do not know.

The problem is that the Democratic Party has negative credibility with me. If they say something is true, I naturally believe the opposite must be true. I recognize this bias and I understand that they have successfully made it nearly impossible for me to decode objective reality. All the gaslighting and lies have paid off for them, they have created confusion and distrust of the electoral system on a national level. I believe that was their intention all along, to demoralize their opponents so they don't vote in future elections.

Why I believe the Democratic Party's moral compass is broken:
1. They called obvious street violence peaceful protests.
2. They encouraged "peaceful protests" while simultaneously condemning conservative rallies as Corona super spreaders and terroristic.
3. They pushed for voting rights for felons, illegal aliens and minors.... a naked power grab.
4. They supported and advocated for the suppression of the most popular conservative voices on social media.... DIRECT ELECTION MEDDLING.
5. They subverted the rule of law by explicitly prosecuting citizens who used a gun in defense from "peaceful protesters".
6. Then monetized the terrorism of BLM to fund Joe Biden's campaign.
7. Nationwide fake polling that was obviously meant to demoralize Trump voters before the election. All of the polling companies were willing to crater their own reputations to get a Biden win.

This is two consecutive elections, that the Democrats have used low level terrorism in the form of "peaceful protests". My greatest fear is that this terrorism will become normalized and we will get the burning, looting and mayhem every four years. If you are engaging in violence and intimidation, that is terrorism by definition.

 

Any precise date in mind, Nostradamus?
And, oh, will the orange toddler win the 2024 election?

 

Nope and nope. Kamala is the politician that the DNC had intended to run for nomination from the get-go; but she proved to be too abraisive to make it through the primaries and so they will simply swap Biden out for her at some point during the first term to make her president. As for Trump it's highly unlikely that GOPers would vote for him in 2024 since -- even if it was stolen -- he did 'lose' in 2020. As he taunted John McCain (paraphrasing) "people like winners." In 2024 it will probably be Ted Cruz winning the nomination . . . a traditional conservative.

 

And Texas and Florida and New York...

Hell, let's all quit our jobs and count votes till we die.

 

Individualism means no rulers. Not a king, not a committee and not the 51%.

 

My question is, how do YOU know? And why haven't you informed Trump's legal team, er...Rudy...of this discovery?

 

That's anarchy, not individualism.

 

Do you think what we've had in America for 200 years is Anarchy?

 

Wow. No offense, but don't you think it's a little childish to say "my president" or "not my president?"

Biden will be THE president. Whether you claim him as your own is frightfully ridiculous. THE president's decisions will affect you, whether you "own" it or not. Silly.

 

No, how you described individualism is incorrect. It is anarchy. I have no idea what you're asking here.

 

I couldnt agree more.

 

I'll rephrase. Individualism means the rights of the one outweigh the collective good. We built America to reject Kings that would compulse our sacrifice to a one. We fought world wars to reject commitees and parties that would compulse our sacrifice to a group, and we did it all under the limitations of a code of laws that prevents the 51% from compulsing we sacrifice to the majority. Who is your ruler but someone or something that may compulse that you sacrifice your benefit for theirs?

Im not talking about laws. Laws protect us from eachother. Im talking about who has legitimate control over how people live their own lives. In America- no one does. And no voting is ever going to change that.

 

That kind of individualism also means a life that is "nasty, brutal, coarse, and short". Few are that individualistic and we kill them off pretty quickly, otherwise we'd still be in caves.

 

Sorta

At least it is if you go by what people THINK America is, which it is not and probably never was.

Parties alone make that just about impossible.

 

It sounds like you're equating having rules (laws) with having rulers. The two are far more different than their lingual similarity implies.

 

A solid 2x4 upside the head might convince him !!!!

 

Don't you have to have some sort of rulers to make rules effective?

 

Biden's concession would convince me to drop the issue entirely.

 

Actually the emphasis was on Trump not Hillary. While I did include Hillary Clinton's concession speech, I also included every losing candidate's concession speech since they began televising said speeches. The emphasis in the post was about how Trump is the one exception, and how the Trump base will follow their leader, no matter how detached from reality things go

In fact, the president keeps citing Edison Research as a source behind his claims of mass voter fraud, but now Edison Research themselves have put out a statement that reads “Edison Research created no such report and we are not aware of any voter fraud"

Of course none of that matters, Trump's followers will continue to believe that Edison Research found voter fraud, even as Edison Research themselves say they didn't