It looks like Jewish people are being thrown under the bus

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Looking more and more like Jewish people (as an identity group) are being thrown under the bus by the Left.

    There are a couple reason for this.

    First, about 30 to 40 percent of those identifying in any way as Jewish are voting for Conservatives now. That's much closer to being a more even split than it was before.
    Those identifying as Jewish are making up an increasingly smaller percent of the total population, as the population has been growing. Not only that but even in absolute numbers they have slowly been going down a little bit.

    Second, the Left has been increasingly looking to Muslims for support. That can involve expressing things (especially on the contentious Israel-Palestinian conflict issue) that will not be as popular among Jews.
    This has been due to the huge amount of migration from Muslim regions of the world in the past 25 years.
    To say it one way, basically Jews have been thrown under the bus in favor of Muslims, to some extent. They no longer get the priority.

    The other issue is that the Left has been taking many of their traditional special identity groups for granted. Of the Jews who do throw their support to the Left, very few of them would consider voting for Conservatives. This means that the Left as a political force has little to lose by catering to them less, or even by ignoring them.

    In more recent years, the Left has been much more open to criticism of persons/groups that happen to be Jewish. It is not only criticism of Israel supporters, although that has been especially the case.

    This is a phenomena seen not just in one country, but happening across multiple countries, in English-speaking White countries and the wealthier countries in Western Europe.
     
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    I am Independent closer to Conservatives. I am Jewish.
     
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    White Supremacy and German Nationalism in particular has been the force which caused enormous Suffering and Loss of Life for Jewish People.
     
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    The DNC own cities where there are large numbers of Jews--NYC, LA, Chicago. They don't need their support to still win with supermajorities.
     
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    So you're saying Israel exerts a huge amount of influence in UK politics?

    From many of your other numerous posts in this forum, it's obvious you're on the Left.

    I think you've sort of just proved the point.
     
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    Your point is because you're Jewish you deserve more influence than the average person.

    Corbyn made the mistake of not calling out the Israeli government for improperly interfering in UK politics to benefit themselves.

    Why does Conservative friends of Israel exist in the UK Conservative party?

    Why does Labor friends of Israel exist in the UK Labor party?

    The answer is to improperly influence UK politics in favor of Israel.
     
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    Sadly The Left can be as racist/anti-Semitic as the Right.
     
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    Why does Labour Friends of India exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Gongolese for Labour exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Labour Friends of the Czech Republic exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Labour Friends of Poland exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Labour and Palestine exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Labour Friends of Palestine & the Middle East exist in the UK Labour party? Why does Labour Muslim Network exist in the UK Labour party? What about British Muslim Friends of Labour? Do you have a problem with any of those?
     
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    If your list of corrupt organizations exist they are special interest groups with no affinity with the UK public.

    The purpose of these organizations is to make bribes to politicians to serve the interests of the special interest group and to pervert the interests of UK citizens in general by fostering bribery in politics.

    Please don't thank me.
     
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    seems to be the right throwing any religion not Christian under the bus, to them everyone else is infidels

    remember the 'very fine people' per Trump that were chanting "blood and soil, jews will not replace us"

     
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    Wait, what? Please explain how can you determine that groups you're not even sure exist are corrupt, or whatever. How can you make sweeping statements about groups that may or may not exist?

    https://labour.org.uk/people/labour-friends-of-group/current-labour-friends-of-groups/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisations_associated_with_the_Labour_Party_(UK)

    Prove it.

    Stating the obvious much?
     
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    I repeat that such organizations as claim to be 'friends of' UK political parties are special interest groups seeking to benefit themselves or the nation they align themselves with by improperly influencing UK politics in their favor.

    These groups should not pay bribes to UK politicians disguised as campaign contributions.

    These groups should not get priority access to UK politicians above that granted to UK citizens whose interests are UK issues.
     
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    You should try using google, or at least clicking on links offered by other posters. The members of those groups are politicians, Labour party members. Are they bribing themselves?
     
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    The UK needs politicians who belong to 'friends of the UK'. There don't appear to be any qualified members amongst the conservatives.
     
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    The issue many leftists have with WJE's is that whenever leftists raise the issue of slavery and colonialism WJE's are perfectly happy to join in the stone throwing but as soon as the left mentions WJE's integral role in that history then WJE's start crying antisemitism. Its a remarkable double standard/hypocrisy
     
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    You know the German nationalists allied with Muslims themselves and had at least one all-Muslim SS division? Germany was always - and still is, actually - friendly to the Turks as Jews have been.
     
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    The left's problem is they selectively hate Christians and selectively want them muzzled. Not getting one's way is not "being thrown under the bus."

    This is repeating a media hoax. They purposely took out a very small fraction of what Trump said and what was known at the time of the people in the crowds that day, then ignored the rest of what Trump said - including where he denounced neo-Nazis, and made it go viral. People keep blindly repeating it since. It's pretty sad and you really should look at the entirety of what Trump said that day.
     
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    Yes it's always the same. The criticisms and attacks are meant ONLY for white Christians regardless of who participated or who else committed similar historical acts. In that, it has nothing to do with morals and everything with fixated racial and religious animus as well as the usual accompanying financial shakedowns.

    White Christians are actually the ONLY ones in history to give things to those they've conquered. We're putting these people on welfare, subsidized housing, and on and on. Who else has done this in history? Any special programs from the Aztecs for the many neighboring tribes they conquered? No soppy references to them as "marginalized peoples" and the like? Any calls for the Utes to stop invading the territory of the Cheyenne and Arapaho? No - they were simply trodden upon.
     
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    Criticisms don't come out of thin air. There are patterns of behavior that people pick up on. When someone gets evicted over 100 times from a place they dwell, much sooner than later does the blame the other guy game dry up. It's a time for self-reflection.
     
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    exactly. youd think white christians would wake up by now, convert to judaism then they can no longer be blamed for slavery since they can claim anti semitism and shut the argument down.
     
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    you wont be able to stop corbyn and his people from supporting palestinians. its pretty clear that the right wing infiltration of labour has forced corbyn out due to his support of palestinians, nothing to do with antisemitism.
     
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    I'm not familiar with British politics but it's heartening to hear Labour has been infiltrated by rightists.
     
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    True. Whatever Jewish ancestry I have was probably a convert to Christianity and apparently it should have been the other way around. I could shoot my mouth off with impunity!
     

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