An often misused quote from history.

Sure looks like it.

 

Yes he was but only for NATIONAL SOCIALISM. ......

 

Nope, sorry.

 

Ma. Version was already becoming unworkable by the time ACA was passed without a single Republican vote. Obama's problem wasn't Republicans. On Universal health care. He knew he didn't have enough Democrats to pass that.

 

It was either a lie because a number of people could not keep their health plan or it was millions of lies because millions could not keep their health care plan.. Your choice.

Bottom line. It was a lie.

 

I thought it was more like 14 months, but the salient fact was that Repubs did over 100 amendments to it, given the distinct impression they were going to vote for it, otherwise, why all the amendments?

 

The vast majority were allowed to keep their doctors who were not on junk policies in the first place. But, Obama spoke to soon because he forgot to consider the fact that many junk policies would require a new health plan since those would be thrown out.

 

How many of those amendments were approved?

 

Don't you think the American public is capable deciding on their own whether it is a junk policy?

 

No. See, before the ACA corrected this wrong, getting rid of how insurers deny policies and claims of those with preexisting conditions, often a junk policy is not understood until years of paying in, then experience a catastrophic incident or illness, filing a claim, and then the insurer subpoenas your health records, looking for anything they can use against you in order to deny your claim (they find a preexisting something they can use against you, that you have forgot to put on the original application ). The vast majority of people are not aware of this potential eventuality.

Not all policy insurers do it, but enough do that such policies are a crap shoot. insurance is supposed to cure something, it's the fear of not being able to pay for a catastrophic illness or event, and if it is understood that such policies are a crap shoot, then they they are junk. That they are allowed to exist is a great wrong to society. You do understand that the 'free market', like the eyes in some people, need a corrective lens, i.e., the free market needs regulation to make it more just when it isn't.

 

The government in a blanket decision decides what is good for the whole population. There is no such uniformity. It simply does not work for 100% of the population. If the government wants to point out to an individual what might be wrong, fine and then let them decide, I am all for it.

 

He clearly doesn’t understand what ACA did in regards to getting rid of annual and lifetime max. Getting rid of pre-x. Preventing health insurers from dropping high cost people from coverage, etc.
Most people don’t understand ACA at all. They were told not to like it and like good followers that’s what they are doing. Is ACA a perfect health care reform? No, but then nothing is ever going to be perfect.

 

If you want to talk about me, talk to me.

You have no idea what I know or do not know. The government is not the know all that you seem to claim. Like I said before, if the government does not think my insurance is adequate, then the government needs to tell me and let me make my own decision.

 

Point proven

 

You have proved nothing. There are a number of reasons why someone might want to keep their own insurance. I trust my insurance agent and have know him for twenty years. The government would have me switch to another agent five hundred miles away that I don't know anything about.

 

He didn't have the votes. Ben Nelson, a Dem from NE, would not support a public option or a single payer plan. In all likelihood, neither would enough Dems in the House. Especially after the months long campaign of lies by congressional Repubs, the healthcare industry, and right wing media.

 

So........the electorate voted for a prez who said healthcare reform was a top priority. The same electorate voted in a 60-40 Dem majority in the Senate and a Dem majority in the House. The historical facts do not support your belief.

 

Repubs essentially broke off negotiations after roughly 8 months when it became clear to them they stood to benefit politically by opposing the legislation. Largely due to their success using propaganda against it.

 

There were 59 votes in the Senate for the ACA. Trump's tax cut was passed 51-48. Was that "rammed" through?

 

One House Repub voted for it.

 

Disappointed that your comparison does not quite fit the evidence. Snowstorms don't just hit a specific sector of the skies or a single subject like covid. He lied about what was in his pockets, and the color of the walls and immigration, and foreign policy, and taxes, and the Mueller Report, and impeachment........................ Its been a 4 year planetary blizzard we'd have to memorize.

 

I would say so.

 

Actually they have nothing to do with my belief.

 

The quote on liberty for safety can be taken at face value. Hundreds of years later, it holds up.

The God quote is about getting off your a$s and working for what you want.

The ACA has some years and results show that while it does create record profits for the pharm industry, Americans are sicker than ever. CA still has Obamacare and people are dying waiting for care and even walking our of ERs due to the wait. Since the expenses are paid by working, the liberty was sacrificed along with safety.

I don't think Obama lied, but my plan was cancelled. What I had was health insurance. That product is no longer being sold and the replacement is much more expensive and the coverage is at welfare levels. I pay $27K per year for 3 people and I have to wait months for an appointment.

Dems may have had the best of intentions, but results show that it does more harm than good.

 

That was a surprisingly honest admission.