Who Benefits During These Lock Downs Over COVID?

Were Donald Trump not so astonishingly disordered, I would say that, like all capitalists, it is Trump's intention to eliminate petty capitalist businesses for the benefit of large businesses - to perhaps curry favor with other capitalists. After all, the capitalist system is partially driven by the elimination of competition rather than the promotion of competition. But Trump is so very pathologically narcissistic and sociopathic, that he may well have done so intentionally and with malice just as he is apparently doing with other aspects of the federal government's "response" to the pandemic.Then again, in light of the fact that the capitalist class benefits from downturns in the economy and in various ways, Trump's sabotage could be rooted in both his mental illness and an especially cynical business strategy.

 

The virtually non-existent interest rates are benefiting people in the real estate buying and selling game, and boosting property values. People in the landlording game are a bit screwed until January.

 

I don't know how you can see 250,000 Americans & over 1 million others outside America, die of this Covid, & then go on this forum to persuade readers that we're over reacting to the danger. In 9 months, this Covid virus has killed more Americans than WWI (2 years), Korea (3 years), & Vietnam (10 years) combined. I guess I just have to admit, I don't understand your thinking, or those who think like you.

 

I don't sit & watch news coverage of the Covid often--it's too depressing. But on two occasions this week I've seen coverage on two young victims of Covid. One was a 39 year old male nurse, who died leaving a wife & 3 young children. The other was a healthy, active, sporty, 13 year old male. His mother was heartbroken. I don't know what the percentages are of young vs old victims of this disease, but I don't really care. Every life is valuable. Every death a tragedy. And anyone resisting the efforts of our medical community to fight this killer, is in my mind, a bad American.

 

328 +/- million Americans, and you think it's a sell point that 78 million agree with you?

 

And here we have the first rounds of why Biden, who claims he will address it 'On Day One' The Biden Plan to Combat Coronavirus (COVID-19) and Prepare for Future Global Health Threats | Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Trump didn't cause unfixable damage. Governors did. Individuals did. The CDC did. And if one want's to look globally, no country was prepared for the extent of the virus.

 

Yes, because that is how a democracy is supposed to work. So you're openly admitting to promoting anti-democracy. Thanks for being honest..

 

You do understand the the US is not a straight 'democracy', much less that 78m is a wee bit small than 328m?

Your attempt at discoloring what I posted is noted for the record.

 

It has nothing to do with "discoloring". It has to do with math. 78 million voted for Biden, 73 million for Trump. Together that's approximately 151 million people who voted. It is rather presumptuous of you to assume the remaining 177 million (assuming approximately 328 million is the current US population) think as you do when they didn't vote for whatever reason that you are not privy to.

Maybe we should've been handing these out like Chick tracts at Trump rallies.

 

I know you don’t understand. Because you base your opinions on emotion, not empirical evidence. And you will have to quote me saying we’re over reacting to the danger. Good luck with that. LOL

Now, you could understand my thinking if you are willing to accept the empirical evidence. Are you? If so, here’s a bit on why the claims of Covid IFR being 6-10 times higher than influenza IFR are incorrect. Why do you think you were previously unaware of this information?

The above is from this thread that contains more information on the subject.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...epublican-areas.579921/page-5#post-1072137735

Now it’s up to you to deny science or accept it. Surprise me and join me on the side of empirical evidence and leave the emotional roller coaster behind!

 

And for this reason you admit to not really knowing what’s going on. You think a story of one extreme outlier tragedy is in any way representative of the average deaths? You should do yourself a favor and look at who is truly affected the most and ONLY then can you remove emotion and see this issue clearly. The MSM is feeding on your emotion and you’ve been duped into not understanding what’s really going on. They want you to think children and/or 38 yr olds are dying constantly. THEY ARE NOT!!!! And no one is resisting efforts. All the information is readily available. But you can choose to know what you want to know, or just live in the haze they choose for you.

 

Wrecking ball, to make it as hard as possible for the incoming Biden government, have them start on the wrong foot, playing catch up.

 

Try reading what I posted, not what you mentally add to what I posted.

I did not say a thing about who had how many votes, I referenced the entire population of the US. I did not say who the remaining people may be inclined to vote for either. See how simple that is?

So, comprehension of what is posted without your discoloration, is that 78 million is not the majority of Americans, regardless of political position.

 

This makes no sense at all. We only count VOTES, not people.

 

The fact that your unwilling to understand WHY small business owners feel under attack is half the problem.

 

You fail to realize that Trump was the catalyst that gave us a voice, the disenfranchisement is far deeper and longer rooted than Trump. "Our side" is tired of the policies that have for decades worked AGAINST our best interest. But you dont want to talk about that.

You want to call everybody that feels that way brainwashed and dismiss them.

Speak for what you like to refer as "trumpism". We mostly just want to be left alone. We want to work to benefit ourselves, our families, and our communities. We are opposed to policies that force us to be part of the collective you impose for social justice, wealth disparity, perceived racial inequality, or any other agenda that demands we fix the problems you perceive.

We want to be secure in our country, with strong borders and a national defense that allows us to embark on any individual liberty we see fit to achieve our goals.

We are being tired of being told "we didn't build that" or that we have an obligation to the causes you feel important. We don't want to be taxed as a means of slavery to pay for you social wars, or push us towards adopting more social programs that align with your collective mentality.

The issues that Trump capitalized on not once, but twice reinforces that a very large percentage if the population doesn't align with what you perceive to be the correct direction for America. You can dismiss this, say we didn't win, blah blah blah, call us names, but what you can't do is take away our persistence and our drive to simply leave us alone.

We have observed what your utopian plans provide, and we say "no thanks". After all, we're American, we used to have that right.

 

So basically, you believe you don't have to be a part of society? Is that what you're saying?

 

Moving the goalposts I see.

 

I am a small business owner, for over 30 years, I do not feel under attack, never felt, crisis come and go and when one is over you prepare for the next one.
Small business is nothing but 7/24/365 crisis management or preparing for one.

What small business are you in to be under attack ?

 

Being part of a society is only valuable when the interactions of members of that society are voluntary. We should absolutely minimize the use of force in order to participate. We have laws and taxes which require forceful compliance, and thus should be absolutely minimized.

Unfortunately, we now have a fragment of our society, who believes so strongly in their own perceptions, their own motivations and agendas, that they feel that being part of a collective means that they get to force their will on others without care for the damage non-voluntary relationships cause.

Let's not pretend we are a free society, or that we believe in individual liberty, when all aspects of our lives are controlled, regulated, and enforced by others.

 

I own several businesses. It is ever increasingly difficult to conduct business with hardships imposed by others specifically through the forceful fist of government. Admittedly, this is mostly a result of owning businesses in the State of Illinois, and not a federal issue. However; the political agendas of those that desire to implement federal progressive policy is preciously what has been so damaging to operating businesses in Illinois. I don't wish the progressive agenda I have experienced in Illinois to be applied to all the other great states of the nation.

 

You do know that all you're complaining about is a bump in an already existing trend.

It's not 1960 anymore.

 

Apparently you are unable to shift gears. My apologies for thinking you could understand that 78 million people agreeing with you is not the majority of the population.

 

That's super ignorant. How do you know all Trumpers think its a "hoax"?

 

Also, I'm a proud Trumper and just took a mail in covid test because I was around someone, who was around someone else, who was around someone else who texted the first someone else and said they tested positive. We are not all the same and neither are people on the left. You guys should stop labeling people as groups and respect individuality