Biden to impose $200 Gun Tax

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  1. flyboy56

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    So by the picture you can tell they're carrying rifles that are fully automatic capable because that is what makes a true assault weapon. I'm guessing you didn't serve in the military or you'd know that. As for magazine capacity size makes very little difference. A person with some training can remove and install another magazine in 5 seconds or less. Notice the guy on the far right? He uses a small capacity magazine but carries more in his web gear.
     
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    So much for the ballyhooed "gun show loophole", which was all about private sales to begin with. VA now requires background checks on all sales, which I don't have a problem with as it really protects the seller.
     
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    I don't think the State was requiring it but the gun show venue did, which I hear most are doing now or the locals object as they feel it may attract unsavory types
     
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    If someone already brought it up and I missed it my apologies. But the logistics of making every standard capacity magazine and all semiautomatic rifles NFA items is absurd. In 2017 there were about 185,000 NFA form 4’s (the form filed to purchase a current NFA item such as a suppressor or short barreled rifle). I don’t know if Biden would use form 4 or form 1 and I’m not sure how many form 1’s were filed in 2017. But less than form 4’s as 1’s are for building an NFA item as opposed to transferring an existing one.

    Anyway, it takes as a rough average 6 months to over a year for the BATFE to process each form. I’ve waited almost two years before from filing to receiving a stamp. That’s with less than 200,000 forms per year.

    Now, consider there could be 20 million semiautomatic rifles fitting the Biden definition of assault rifle in the US. Nobody really knows. Even if we say each firearm has two magazines associated with it (a drastic underestimate) that’s 60 million forms to process. That’s over 300 times the annual number processed now. So multiply 9 months (rough estimate of time to process now) by 300 and you get 225 years to get tax stamps on existing rifles and two mags per rifle. I own around 75 magazines and most people I know own at least 15-20 and some a couple hundred.

    If this idea ever comes to fruition it will be a ban because acquiring stamps for all rifles and mags will be absolutely impossible.
     
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    Is to. Banning guns will make us an easier population to control.
    Just like Venezuela.
     
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    Why not just require they sew yellow "S&W" badges to their jackets?
     
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    Universal constant:
    A person's support for gun control is directly proportional to their ignorance of firearms.
     
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    Do most conservatives really believe we'll be going to the ramparts to beat back single-payer health care?

    "Give me bankruptcy or give me death"
     
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    You on the Left should not be running so head long into Fascism.
     
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    This place is ok but the censorship level is pretty high. :)
     
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    I'm sure they will send Beat Off O'Rourke and his gun grabbing goon squad right over.......:roflol:
     
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    Why not Post non-gun owners lists with addresses from coast to coast. Be a proud non- gun owner!
     
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    No because it's just not going to happen.

    Nov 2010, the Democrats lost 69 seats in Congress. Please do that again with single payer.
     
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    This is not a new law or a new tax, we're talking about a law that was passed back in 1934, and the tax applied in this law back when it first passed in 1934 was also $200. Basically what is being proposed is to include more weapons into this already existing law. The constitutionality of this tax is not in question, in fact we had an outright federal ban on assault weapons from 1994 to 2004

    So no, taxing firearms isn't unconstitutional, it's similar to how the federal government taxes tobacco and alcohol, all of which can be regulated and taxed under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (yes that is an actual Bureau of the US federal government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives), which is also why we have existing federal age restrictions on alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
     
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    Sounds like a felony in and if itself, regardless of whether guns are involved.
     
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    Sounds like an argument to streamline the process by allowing multiple pieces of equipment per application.
     
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    That has nothing to do with my post you quoted.

    If they can tax 200 then why not 2000?
     
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    Yeh, we’ve been asking for a streamlined system since 1934. The whole point of the system is to discourage ownership. You don’t streamline such processes.
     
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    I don't know if anyone has already responded to your very sensitive and sensible questions but I'll give it a try.

    I don't know that a "passion for guns" is limited to just Americans as a very young, 9 year old English relative of mine who had never seen a real firearm is actually fascinated by them.
    I think that the appeal of firearms is universal to most American boys, men and sometimes even women but it is only in America that people have a Constitutional right to act on that appeal.

    As to why anyone would want a semi-automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, I think that the reasons differ from person to person. A very large number of people simply want to be proficient with an especially lethal firearm in case there is a breakdown in social order such as the large scale riots we've experienced recently.
    Other people simply see semi-automatic rifles as simply another class of firearm to punch holes in paper targets in organized shooting competition.
    Farmers use semi-automatic rifles to deal with packs of predatory animals.
    Many military Veterans feel a responsibility to remain proficient with firearms similar to those they were issued while in active service.
    Some people feel that semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines are best suited for their own home or farm defense.

    I'm sure that others could provide additional reasons but these are just a few that immediately come to mind.
     
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    Because we are free to. Simple as that.
     
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    It - will - be if the law is changed to include 'assault weapons'.
    All the plaintiff need do is show the firearm in question is in common use for traditionally lawful purposes and/or has some reasonable relationship the preservation of a well-regulated militia.
    Do tell.

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    When that little thingy is screwed onto the tip, it makes people commit murder. If we outlaw the murder attachment and the dreaded under barrel chainsaw attachment, we should be okay!
     
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    Just think. If you own a $500 Glock with three standard magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds you will have to pay $800 in tax stamps to own. Biden wants to price out poor people, which I don’t doubt he thinks are rubes.
     
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    I had at least 100 "high capacity" magazines.
    I would have paid exactly $0 in transfer taxes to keep them.
     
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    A link describing the paranoia of gun owners and how the gun industry will abuse that paranoia to increase sales and
    A link, better describe as a fact free rant, talking all about a mythological "gun registration" and non-existent fee.

    Gun owner paranoia. Sorta describes the entire issue doesn't it?
     

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