Does Uncle Joe really wanna give ILLEGALS the $1200 corona stimulus check?

They pay rent. The property owners pay property taxes with that money. Pretty slick huh.
A lot of them pay Social Security that they will never be able to claim, so if it makes you feel better make believe we are just giving them some of their money back.

 

Because in this particular scenario it isn't true. In AMERICA, food can always be sourced, no matter what. "Back home", there are no safety nets. That means your elderly relatives, siblings, nieces, nephews, whoever - are going to go hungry for real. As in no food at all.

 

The poster claimed that they pay property taxes. That's clearly not possible. Neither can they pay income tax, for the same reason.

 

These payments are called "Remittances". This has become Mexico's LARGEST source of income, exceeding both tourism and oil.
Money earned here- and leaving the country doesn't circulate here; it's gone. Money circulated here trades hands over and over; thus is beneficial to multiple places and people.... But a dollar leaving the country means a lot less than a dollar that stays.

 

What portion of those remittances are sent by illegals and how much from legal immigrants.

 

The only way they "pay Social Security that they will never be able to claim" is if they are using stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers to work.

That's a felony by the way but I doubt felonies are an issue with you.

 

According to the IRS, up to half do not pay any taxes whatsoever. So up to 50% of them--that's millions of people--will be getting something for free.

 

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11 million illegals. 4 per family. 5.5 million checks @ $1200 6.6 billion.


The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesn’t even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common.

Illegal immigration taxes: Unauthorized immigrants pay state taxes - Vox

 

Like I said, up to half do not pay any taxes. And to the ones that do, how many of them take advantage of emergency room service, and other taxpayer-funded services, such as state financial aid for college? Biden's plan could cost up to $1.35 trillion; your estimated calculation of illegal immigrants' contribution is a drop in the bucket.

 

I think you forgot the thread topic.

$1200 corona stimulus check?

 

It doesn't matter how much is 'sent home' from legal immigrants, because they're LEGAL immigrants. They are Americans, not foreign nationals. That's the point.

Your argument says that you want random foreign nationals absorbing American dollars and spending them elsewhere. Again, why not just send everyone in the world $1000 American dollars. Where does it stop, if you won't draw lines?

 

I'm simply replying to your justification that because some illegals pay taxes, then all of them should get a $1,200-dollar stimulus check. I am merely replying that they contribute relatively little in taxes, and up to half of them don't pay any taxes, which is a counterargument against your aforementioned justification.

 

About 1/2 of all of us pay no taxes. I'm one of those and I got a check. Guess I should spend it.

 

Please spare us 'it's for the kids!' drama.

US Taxpayers are not responsible for supporting someone's kids, other than programs in place such as education. Anything additional is for humanitarian reasons.

It is the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids are fed, clothed and housed. We have a hard enough time seeing to those who are here legally and/or as citizens. Perhaps your concerns would be better placed in you making sure the locals around you are fed, clothed and housed, instead of demanding other people do it.

 

It's both of course, but I don't think there is a system that can tell us what the ratio of that is. Generally, remittances are sent by postal money orders.
Either way, it's money out of the loop of circulation in America.

 

Like it would really change the leftist thinking knowing the numbers!

 

You are missing the purpose of stimulus money.

 

You are the one who brought up 'starving children'. Apparently you think that is the purpose of stimulus money. I understand what it is supposed to do, but I also understand what happens when it is put into the hands of people who shouldn't be eligible for it. We had a number of J-1 visa students work for us over the summer of 2019, and checks were issued to them also. I suppose you feel that was beneficial to the US economy?

I'll repeat myself. If $150B+/- is shipped out of the country annually, why would we, the tax payers', be OK with providing more money to be shipped out of the US economy?

 

And I'll repeat myself.
How much was from illegals.

 

The F1 visa checks were a Trump screw up.

 

True. CA is an economic powerhouse and that makes leading the country in poverty inexcusable.

 

You are wrong! Any person in the USA, who owns or rents or leases, is paying property taxes...many directly but most indirectly. Many of them work for employers who withhold federal taxes and FICA. You should read; https://www.marketplace.org/2019/01...-pay-billions-social-security-and-receive-no/ or https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes.

And they all are paying sales taxes and excise taxes! All of them are consumers!

You didn't bother to read my comments? I said from the perspective of economic stimulus it absolutely makes sense to give $1200 to undocumented people. If your goal in economic stimulus is to energize the economy, then common sense says the more people spending the better! You can't understand this because you are too biased against undocumented workers...

 

No, it was an IRS screw up, and they have admitted it. J-1, and other assorted non resident aliens.

 

It's to stimulate the economy. It's called a STIMULUS check, not a "reward for being an American citizen" check. (Though with the 4 years we've just had that wouldn't be undeserved.)

 

If they are not here legally, then how are they 'paying taxes', without filing for a ID number? How many have filed for an ID number? How many are using stolen or forged documents? Who has to deal with the fallout of having their ID stolen? What happens to the taxes paid under stolen or forged ID's?

What do most illegal workers file on their pre-2020 W-4? Enough dependents to make their federal withholding zero. Social Security and Medicare may be deducted from their paycheck, but the income is then charged to what ever Social Security number they are reporting under. They may or may not have stolen it, forged it, or filed for an ID number. Your own article says it is common to use a stolen or forged SS number.

You need to understand the impact on the people they have victimized. Your description of people paying 'property taxes' because they pay rent, if you are going to follow that train of presentation, is that people are paying corporate taxes when they purchase products, and raising taxes on corporations means you are raising taxes on people also.