The ‘Kraken’ Lawsuit Was Released And It’s Way Dumber Than You Realize

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  1. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    The Disaster Artist 2 (Filming the Kraken)

    This is such a WIN/WIN (Destined to shatter Worldwide Box-Office Records), that I may have to contact George Lucas for Financing and Spielberg to Direct.

    (So much Box-Office that it is going to make Gone With the Wind look like a Film Class Throwaway).
     
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  2. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    Internet rumors? Did you not see with your own eyes the swing states do their "pause for the cause" on Nov 3rd? Did you not see video of the windows being boarded up? Did you not hear the testimony of the GOP observers who were prevented from observing?
     
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    So you got nothing. Excuses, maybe. But no answers. Just excuses that you want to pretend are answers, but which are so weak you're too ashamed to list them. Because there can be no valid and innocent answer to things like "why were the observers not allowed to observe". You can only make excuses for that.
     
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    The 3 Things that you "cited"...

    Prove...

    Exactly NOTHING...

    The key word being "Prove".

    Back to the Drawing Board.:salute:
     
  5. Daniel Light

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    And did you not hear the judge ask Trump's lawyers if GOP observers were barred from the count, and the lawyers admitting they were not barred? And
    the judge then dismissing the case? And did ignore the fact that while some windows were covered to prevent filming of voting counts, there were observers from
    the GOP still in the room watching the count?
     
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    Don’t confuse them with facts. They have mountains of “evidence “ !
     
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    Did you not hear that the observers who were allowed in were kept too far away to actually do the job of observing? They may have technically been in the building, but that's it. There's a difference between access and meaningful access. And it's not lawyers saying that; it's the observers themselves.
     
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    Those things are evidence. Proof comes after the discovery process. It's telling that Democrats don't want anything to be discovered.
     
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    No, a good legal team would have told Trump he had no case and if he insisted on pushing it they would have quit. In fact, a good legal team wouldn't have bothered. This is basically what happened. The Trumper narrative is that alll the high quality lawyers were chased off by evil anti-Trumpers doxxing them. The truth is more mundane - smart lawyers know a giant stinking turd when they see one and had no interest getting crap all over their reputations. Smart people don't tie themselves to an anvil being held by a guy like Trump.

    The result? Trump gets precisely the team his Presidency deserves - grifters, hucksters, fanatics & people no one else will touch. Those are the sort of people Trump attracts & those are definitely the sort of people who last around him.
     
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    Trump? Loyal? Are we talking about the same Trump here? He would throw everyone under a bus up to & including Uday & Qusay. Ivanka might survive because she is a 'great piece of ass', and barron is too young to be a useful sacrifice, but literally every other person in Trumpworld is disposable. It is just a matter of circumstance - if burning them advantages Donnie more than keeping them around then they are gone. Look how fast Mad Sidney got dumped.

    Donnie does like people who have sufficiently sold their souls that they will do anything he asks, but he probably figures he can get more where they came from.
     
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    Trump is about the most toxic person I can really see in ANY circumstance. Early on some potential appointees were saying that working for him is a "**** sandwich. Look at what he did to Jeff Sessions and Sessions said several times he was Trump's FRIEND.

    These people better be careful. Judges are starting to get pissed and that is something you DON'T want to do if you're a lawyer. Judges have lots of "summary" powers. You really don't want to argue with people who can disbar you and send you to jail right from the courtroom.
     
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    The real idiots are the people fooled into contributing to the fundraiser, believing it will change the outcome of the election
     
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    The courts dude. The courts.
     
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    Let us first dispense with the outright unadulterated falsehoods you posted in this post. There was no case where GOP observers were thrown out. Period that Bovine Excrement of a story just did not happen.

    Now why was the battleground states had an elongated counting period!
    Simple those states employed the mail in voting and a high number of people used mail in voting.

    In PA the state legislature refused to allow early counting or early preparation such as preliminary opening of outer envelope, early verification of address. early verification that the returned ballot envelop was for a registered voter. The name and address of the voter in on a comuputer printer lab,e that is directly printed from the data. Ass of registered voters for that state.

    Further in PA there is a high population of voters ( you know that PA has 20 Electirual votes. Right?). The higher the population the higher the EC's. But you know that is true, Right?

    PA you know that there are two areS of high population density in PA, Philly and Pittsburg. You know that. Right?
    High de sigh urban population centers have a higher percentage of Democratic voters. Democratic voters listened to. Iden and a high number of them voted via mail in ballots. If you did not know that before you know it now, right?

    Trump preached to his fans and cult base that they should, could, and must votes in person. You knew that right? In virtually all states the same day voter ballots were counted first. Even in my state which was not a battleground state that is the case. Election night after we closed the polling district I produced a report from the tabulator that I posted on the board, affixed to by Moderators report, and placed into the secure sealed ballot bag that we secured the actual ballots in. The two assistants one Democrat one Republican did all the steps with me and all three of us signed all of the reports and the counts. After reading the results out load so that the press and the poll watchers could hear One of the assistant taped the signed report of counts to the wall of the polling place. The in person results in my district was that Trump won 2:1. My town went Trump by a. Arrows really margin. My state went for Biden overwhelmingly. I threw in the example of how a districts votes are read from a tabulator before I delever the vfesult to town wall as a gift to you in the event that you still mistake believe that there was rampant fraud out there. You are welcome of course you do not need to thank me.

    The mail in ballot counting is hands on and very labor intensive that is why it takes days to count mail in ballots and you know unless you are purposely blocking the fact from your thinking process this election had the highest number of mail in voters ever, it was beautiful, like no one has ever seen before in the entire universe. You should like that last sentence of purposely exaggerated googlegook because your apparent cult leader talks like that all of the time and his followers believe him and love it.

    I am not going through the rest of the battleground states with you you can research it yourself. What you will find if you do it with an open mind, that all the battleground states were close in results between Biden and Trump. That means those states could not be called until the outstanding number of ballots is less than the margin between the two candidates. Example in Trump states such as Alabama, Tenn, Miss excetera the call can be made earlier and it was.

    You ask why counting had to stop overnight? I told you that mail in counting is highlylabor intensive so people human beings need to rest so that they do not make mistakes counting.

    One more thing you must realize if you did not before that the Blue states with minor exceptions are the ones that allowed BY LAW to utilize mail in voting.

    So there was no massive fraud, no rigging of elections, no breaking of the law, it was that in this year of the pandemic whose existence Trump denied for months we had difficult and complicated conditions to conduct our election under.

    BOTTOM LINE ------_ THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, THEY SPOKE 306 to 232 and the people have decided lawfully and honestly that--------
    Joe Biden is President Elect. Get over it and wish our new president well and wish our country well. I wish our country well but I love my country and do not put party or dictator over country.

    P/S good things come to those who wait!
     
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    Did you not hear the details of the case? Did you not hear the outcome? If you had, your questions - and Daniel Light's informed response - would not be necessary. And if you want to be similarly informed, you need to acquaint yourself with both.

    To reiterate his points, the observers were not kept too far away to do the job of observing. In fact, only one observer complained about not being close enough. They were, however, by their own admission able to see every aspect of the process, with monitors also enabling closer views. They wanted, however, to be closer yet. Whatever they think they're entitled to see and do is irrelevant. Observers - everywhere - don't get to set the rules. Election codes determine what they can and cannot do, and what they are and are not entitled to see.

    Secondly, they were over 200 Republican observers in the room, despite a limit of 134. Ditto Democrat observers. Therefore, both Democrat and Republican observers were not allowed reentry after lunch in order to reduce overcrowding and bring the numbers closer to the allowed limit.

    Certain Republicans outside began taking videos and photos, which is not permitted. Additionally, many engaged in provocative and hostile behavior likely to impede the process - also not permitted. And for both reasons, the windows were blocked.
     
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    Funny how all those claims disappear when people are in an actual court room under oath and how Trump lawyers suddenly stop
    making such claims when they are faced with the rules of the court instead of the land of social media.
     
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    Not every case is a fraud case. The Trump team is pursuing this by several avenues of attack, so when Guiliani says to a judge "This is not a fraud case", it doesn't mean that there is no fraud case to be made. It means that they are doing something different right now. Proving fraud requires proving intent, so it's easier to go after process. At the same time, the public needs to be informed about the fraud.
     
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    Be sure to let us know when you find some.

    What someone thinks they see is not evidence. That someone saw what "Trump said" only proves the woman is brainwashed, nothing more.
     
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    Sworn affidavits are evidence. And she didn't characterize it as "what Trump said", that author of the article did.
     
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    Affidavits may be evidence. Did you see the one with the name redacted? Did you see the ones generated by internet bots?

    There have been no affidavits accepted as evidence of fraud. Zero.
     
  22. Andrew Jackson

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    Exactly.

    Which is why no Court is taking them seriously.
     

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