Nevada doctor's selfie used to claim COVID-19 is a hoax

He's unaware that the word "hoax" was used by the author

 

Thanks, nice post; it's actually rare here that people here acknowledge it when their position was less than solid. Well done.

While I didn't see the study you are mentioning, I doubt it. Excess deaths last I checked were already about 300,000 above the numbers for a similar period, the year before. It's excess deaths over DEATHS BY ALL CAUSES so if heart failure and pulmonary issues were lowered to the same degree that Covid-19 deaths were reported, we'd have the same TOTAL deaths by ALL causes, and not 300,000 EXCESS deaths.

Beware of people with agendas. Who knows if this "study" was just trying to prove a political point? I'd like to see who authored it and what are the person's credentials and reputation. Sometimes what you see is some rightist think tank article, not a real scientific STUDY done by reputable scientists from academic institutions.

You do know that at some point in the pandemic, when Trump was interested in minimizing the pandemic because he saw it as an obstacle to reelection, right wingers were issuing all sorts of misleading information, such as, saying that only 6% of Covid-19 deaths were real ones because the others had underlying medical conditions therefore the conclusion was that people died of those other conditions rather than Covid-19, right?

Again, this betrays a misunderstanding of the language in death certificates, either intentional (for political purpose) or just out of ignorance. Because, see, death certificates come with Part I and Part II (like I explained in more detail in the 3 posts I mentioned before; I don't know if you took the trouble of locating them). Part I is for the sequence of events that leads to death. The cause of death is to be entered on the line at the bottom of that Part I box. The top line is the immediate mechanism of death, such as cardiopulmonary arrest or respiratory failure. Lay people sometimes think that this is what the person died of. No, the person died of the cause that STARTED the sequence. So, Covid-19 will be listed on the bottom of part I, not on the top.

Now, Part II has underlying conditions or co-morbidities. So, 94% of people who died of Covid-19 had co-morbidities. Well, of course, because it's an infection that preferentially kills the elderly. Pray tell, how many senior citizens in the United States have NO co-morbid conditions whatsoever? Give a human body a sufficient number of years, and inevitably you'll see hypertension, diabetes, COPD, cancer, etc.

I mean, Part II being a blank is actually the exception rather than the rule for the older age group (thus it being the case only 6% of the time). It happens usually when you have an otherwise healthy person who meets a violent end, as in, a young adult who is shot, or perishes in a car crash, or from a drug overdose. Usually, when people die after having lived a long life, they WILL have co-morbid conditions listed there on Part II.

But that doesn't mean they DIED of the co-morbid conditions, even the ones that CONTRIBUTED to the severity of Covid-19. Because the difference between Part II and Part I is that the conditions listed on Part II cannot trigger that sequence of events that leads to death in a Covid-19 case. Merely having hypertension doesn't cause a cytokine storm with disseminated intravascular coagulation. Merely having diabetes doesn't cause viral pneumonia and lung fibrosis with respiratory failure. They can make a case of Covid-19 more serious but they can't on their own kill the patient in the sequence caused by Covid, and for the vast majority of those people even the seniors, they wouldn't be dying anytime soon if they hadn't caught Covid-19.

Here is the analogy:

Two friends in their forties are walking down a street. One is obese, one is fit. Suddenly, a tornado hits. They start running, trying to get to an underground shelter. Well, the fit guy runs fast and makes it just in time; he gets down into the shelter right before the tornado storms though the area. The fat guy though, runs slowly and doesn't make it in time. The tornado catches him, throws him up, he lands on his head, suffers massive head trauma, and dies.

OK, did he die of obesity? No. He died of a traumatic brain injury caused by a natural disaster.

Would he have died that day, just because he was obese? No, he probably would have survived some 30 more years and would die of a heart attack at age 70, while his friend who is fit will live an additional 15 years and will die at age 85 of a cancer.

Did obesity make the fat guy's situation more serious so that he ended up being caught by the tornado, for being unable to run fast? Yeah. Obesity in this case was a CONTRIBUTING CO-MORBIDITY but not a CAUSE OF DEATH. Obesity in itself could NOT trigger the traumatic brain injury that the tornado caused.

So, obesity makes the expansion of the lungs harder. Also, it increases generalized inflammation. That's why it makes Covid-19 worse. But it doesn't cause a viral pneumonia, it doesn't cause a cytokine storm, etc. etc., so it's merely a contributing factor, not a causal factor.

Get it?

 

I get it. You increased my knowledge of death certificates by an infinite factor since I have never seen one. Thanks.

 

Obese people die from lots of things that don't kill other people, every year.
We don't mandate that other people change their behaviors.

 

Obviously you too fall squarely in to that same category

 

What happened to the "regular" flu?

I have long taken precautions to lower the likelihood of contracting the flu, so this pandemic was not as much of a shock to me.

 

I agree and the threat is real. Time to close down the universities as they have been identified as superspreaders. A good long shutdown of one year should suffice... with none of this remote learning garbage. It would be a threefer. The people with sinecures could experience what it is like being unemployed for an extended period of time, the spread of the virus would be thwarted and our young people would get a one year break from brainwashing.

It doesn't take much courage or morality to sacrifice the occupations of others to protect yourself. Perhaps those with guaranteed jobs should not be calling for the destruction of the livelihoods of others.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-colleges-have-become-covid-19-super-spreaders

 

Sorry Tramp beat the Dems to it!

 

Actually it is 3%.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
CLOSED CASES
8,726,954

Cases which had an outcome:
8,447,109 (97%) Recovered / Discharged

279,845 (3%) Deaths

 

Yes, you are right because for the still active cases, there's been no outcome yet to show if they will die or recover. So of those closed cases, 3% is right. Thanks for pointing it out. On th other hand, since the therapeutics have improved, it is conceivable that the active cases won't result in death as often and will bring the numbers down. Well, or not, because if we reach hospital capacity then the death toll will explode.

 

Good point! Scary how many of the 13 million cases are not closed, and what that means for the death toll to come in the next weeks.

The remaining 4 million active cases multiplied by 3% would give another 120,000 deaths.. And people party on as we had turned the corner....

 

Didn't read thread, just hot air OP.

Real: COVID1984 is a variant of the common cold that can kill old, unhealthy people... just like every variant of the common cold.

Everything else about it, including obvious statistical manipulation to inflate cases and deaths via bogus, inaccurate tests, gov sanctioned miscounting, and MSM and other self-serving shill hype is BS.

 

We live and die, that's human nature.. We don't lay down and die because others die, we move ever forward!