We've tried those things, and yet many folks are still living in the past- they still are not like the rest of us (apparently...). Is there a point at which we can say 'a 'leg up' isn't helping, the problem is something else'?
No, we are tryING those things. And while they appear to work, that doesn't mean the problem is solved.
Because people have used them. Just using them means they work. If a qualified diversity hire to meet a quota is hired, it has worked. Would you suggest things would work better to their desired ends without these programs? That would be quite a stretch.
Thats a terrible metric. With that metric we have no way to know if the programs are having their intended effect, thus they just go on into infinite regardless of their success or lack-there-of. Is there a point at which we can say 'a 'leg up' isn't helping, the problem is something else'?
So, pointing out that someone else is unable to look beyond racism makes my "ppl the biggest perpetrators of racism... " yeah. that's some wicked brew right there. I suggest you go back and read a little history. My people and slavery? Laughable.
Now you've stepped into upside down world.... .....where you are greeted with right-wing tropes, where the racists are those fighting racism, where a social safety net is a handout, where one is not free to vote for the party you agree with because you are ignorant of being conned, where the justice system is fair and impartial, where America has a level playing field and success is just a matter of motivation.
People use them because they're legally mandated to use them, not because they actually work. I'm pretty sure that the right person for the job isn't a lower qualified person. But I guess some people need a hand out on top of all the other free sh** they already get.
Apples and oranges are both spherical fruit. I am afraid you will have to prove diversity hiring amounts to hiring the unqualified is not racist mythology.
Everyone and everything you don’t like is racist. We get it, you don’t understand hiring the most qualified person. You just want black people hired even if they aren’t the most qualified. If they WERE the most qualified they’d have the job.
You will have to prove that a company refusing to hire less qualified token candidates does not put that company at greater risk of a discrimination lawsuit, and a greater risk of wrongfully losing that lawsuit.
Yes, master of hyperbole, I didn't think you had anything to back that up. What a surprise. Do I? You have to prove it does.
Only NBA players can make millions by playing basketball, which is not a popular sport in the rest of the world. In my neighbourhood, there is a new basketball arena, which is home to a local team. These players can earn slightly above $100,000, if they are lucky.
Hey, Moriah. Treating your question as the personal matter you present it as, and not for the purpose of discussing any ideological view, I'll give you my honest impression, w/ the caveat that it is my impression of the words as you paraphrased them, which might be altered by differences which you might find insignificant, so I would 2nd the comment left by Ritter that a verbatim quote is always superior to a paraphrasing, for gauging intent, only magnified when discussing as combustible a topic as racism. The first sentence, "For putting a ball thru a hoop, that's nice," could simply be an indication that the person is not a fan of basketball. I would strongly take issue with any who contend that looking down on basketball, as a sport, is a de facto sign of racism; but I see no need to go into that argument unless someone with that view wishes to hear it. The 2nd sentence-- "Isn't it wonderful...born in a country that allows him to earn that kind of money?"-- is not definitive, in & of itself. That is, the speaker's underlying intent cannot be drawn, just from the sentence. It could, for example, be the sentiment of a fervent believer in the greatness of the U.S.A. & an ardent lover of all things American. Is this type of, "only in America..." praise, something you have noticed your friend say regarding other things? You, in fact, say he ends his comment with, "what a great country we live in (!)." The 3rd sentence, however, shoots holes in, or at least greatly weakens the liklihood of, those other possible interpretations of the rest of his expressed opinion. Reiterating my caveat about the paraphrase, the words, "Just think: his ancestors were slaves, and now he has the opportunity to be super wealthy," can mean only one of two things, to me. The lesser possibility is that this person has no awareness of the way his comments sound in others' ears, zero social grace, & lacks any sense of appropriateness. If those things were true of your friend, I would think you would be able to recall other instances of his saying the wrong thing-- "oh, how long have you been pregnant!" to a woman who has just gained some weight-- and similar puttings of his foot in his mouth. Absent that excuse, I could only interpret that line to indicate a diminution, in his eyes-- suggesting, potentially, resentment (though I am not a psychologist)-- of either black men, or black people in general. (And for those who would take issue with my interpretation, I say, once again, this is only how the comment, personally, seems to me.)
Thank you for that well thought out response. I won't do a search of Lee's (my White friend) FB posts to see if there is a pattern in his attitude toward certain issues. I believe he is a nice guy. I just don't understand why he had to put a racial spin on the comment about LeBron James. I don't want to ask him personally why he did it, because I don't want to create a problem with him. Race is such a volatile issue nowadays, I decided to just ask the intelligent, fair minded folks here at Politicalforum what they thought.
The burden of proof lies with you. You claim for hiring underqualified "color X" people is as good as qualified people has no evidence. If you don't know that hiring the most qualified has the best results it's because all you care about is feeling like you're battling a very trendy topic.
Nope, you were making the assumption the person hired is less qualified. I asked you to prove that or is it just another unproven racist right-wing talking point per usual.
Interesting you label one group of friends as African American and the other as White. Why is that ? Personally I just see American. Anyways I also don't see why shade of skin has anything to do with a person's opinion an a basketball players salary. Why did a joke about basketball players salary seem to offend you, was it because of the shade of the person's skin that made the joke? should certain shades if skin reframe from making jokes about a sportsperson salary? I find the idea of race a moronic construct. I don't know why people still hold it so close to their heart.
I am not sure why is was racial spin - if someone posted a picture of Yao Ming and said: "For putting a ball thru a hoop, that's nice. Isn't it wonderful Yao Ming was not even born this country, he was born in a communist China, and our country allows him to earn that kind of money?" - would you consider it a racial spin? I have a feeling that the anti racism became a religion - you cannot ask any question without being accused of heresy. I was banned from an atheist(???) FB group for asking if Black Life Matters applies also to Black people killed by Black. Disclaimer: in order not be banned from this forum I am not asking "if Black Life Matters applies also to Black people killed by Black", I don't want to know he answer, and actually I already regret I mentioned it.
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