From herd immunity meets criminal responsibility

Okay, I have never hidden, diluted or disguised my absolute distaste (to use the nicest word I can think of) for Humpty, but this....this is just music to my ears and will likely be washed off by Trump supporters as the ravings of a lefty Lawyer.

Well, Kirschner, like me, is no fan of Humpty but you cannot bag his credentials. He does talk logically against a legal background.

I hope Humpty is pursued over this. All of them, Pence included, and especially that guy who was urging that you deliberately allow people to be infected.

Just unbelievable

 

I guessed this was coming

 

How were there preventable Corona virus deaths?

There was no point in listening any further since the first sentence contained a lie.

 

Yeah, I couldn’t go any further than that nonsense either. “Preventable coronavirus deaths” is like stating “preventable cancer deaths” or “preventable heart attack deaths.” You can’t blame something so broad and with countless factors that contribute to those causes on a President or Vice President. Not unless you want to create a legal precedent for the next President and whatever “preventable deaths” happen under his administration. I’m sure that this ambulance-chasing scumbag lawyer has heard a thing or two about what legal precedent means.

 

There is such a thing as herd immunity and with minor illnesses it is a normal approach. But it doesn't always work because if it did always work then nobody would get the flu, nor measles, nor a cold. Those flu shots you take are actually a cocktail of vaccines created by people that study and predict which of the many flues could circulate this year. Last year's recommended vaccine was for

• A/Brisbane/02/2018 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus (updated)
• A/Kansas/14/2017 (H3N2)-like virus (updated)
• B/Colorado/06/2017-like (Victoria lineage) virus
• B/Phuket/3073/2013-like (Yamagata lineage) virus.

Yet still millions got the flu.

The mistake this year is that it comes at a horrible price, if it comes at all, with an illness that kills and disables. If it is even possible, unlikely because of the rapid reinfection in some people, estimates require between 70% - 90% immunity rate.
Immunity from an actual infection is estimated at typically between 3-6 months only so that is not particularly helpful. We don't know yet how long vaccines will last either. IF herd immunity is to be achieved at least 70% of the world must be vaccinated in order to deprive the virus of human hosts. Even then it has to be determined if there are animal hosts and that appears to be the case, bats, cats and minks have documented cases and there is zero chance of vaccinating all of them.

Was the T**** admin's love affair with herd immunity criminal? No. But it was very ill advised and never should have gotten beyond a hypothetical option until there was at least some science supporting it. Sweden has admitted it's error and the T**** admin needs to do the same or the same mistakes will be repeated and not enough people will take the vaccine to do the nation/world much good.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563648/#:~:text=Even our most conservative estimate,the period 1991 to 2003.
And for the heart attacks look at the attached image.

 

So who do you blame that on? Who were the Presidents during those time periods?

 

Give credit to is what you should say as in both cancer and heart attacks resulting in death were reduced drastically. So the credit goes to the presidents for listening to the doctors and not getting in the way and interfering with their work and in fact promoting their work.
Doctors say quit smoking, the government went along, lung cancer plummeted. Other factors as well got government support.

The T**** admin gets the blame here because they actively went against science. No one, absolutely no one, would be making a big deal out of wearing a mask had the admin not actively disparaged the use of masks. Even something as mundane as shaking hands was not supported. Remember when Pence, who was supposedly the spearhead of the task force, said he and Trump would continue shaking everyone's hands because "that's what politicians do".

Was that criminal? No, I don't think so. Was it incredibly stupid? Absolutely.

 

We'll be wishing we'd opted for herd immunity after the economy collapses. Starvation is just as 'preventable' as covid, and it also will make a lot more people die from covid.

 

As long as we're talking about criminal responsibility for preventable deaths, how about liberal politicians and judges that allow known criminals and illegal aliens to roam the street robbing, raping and murdering at will?

 

If our population drops as little as two percent the economy collapses as well.
Herd immunity without widespread vaccinations is a dream, it won't likely happen but even if it did the US along with the rest of the world would be plunged into not a recession but a depression by then.
Wear your mask, get vaccinated and by next fall you'll be going to football games and hanging in the bars afterward. Simple. Don't do that, shutdowns and a depression. For me the choice is pretty obvious.

 

Why would a president have to be blamed for a disease? That is a very bizarre statement.

 

Or the politicians who encourage and enable rioting.....

 

Herd immunity is a natural biological process. It is not "controlled" by humans or by government edict or policy.

We live with many millions of virus in our bodies, we co-exist with virus and bacteria, including coronavirus.

To say that Trump or any other leader can bring it or prevent it is simply a foolish statement that ignores reality. Man and government are not nearly as potent as some would like to think.

 

Good Grief! There were certainly enough people lined up to blame Obama for Swine Flu, Ebola and this pandemic

the President is the LEADER of the country not the golfer in chief

 

Or instigate it by inaction



There is a playbook on how to handle situations like the one that triggered BLM - but we know from how Trump ****ed up the Pandemic response that he does not use playbooks - possibly because he either can’t read them or is so convinced of his own infallibility that he does not need to

 

No problem - take them to court

 

I have a question for you, I respect your opinion on this topic. Did the Trunp administration advocate for ethnic cleansing?

 

Nor is he the disease preventer in chief.

 

“Frankly, no. I take no responsibility at all”

 

The same people who don't want to place any blame on China, because God forbid we offend someone, and because China's Biden's BFFs, these same people want to tell us Trump is to blame for COVID. Y'all are fricken hilarious. HILARIOUS.

 

That depends on how low your standards are.

In every single other first world country on the planet (with the temporary exception of Sweden), the leadership did their job.

By whatever legal means were available, they shut down, imposed requirements for social distancing and masking, and borrowed heavily in order to stabilize their economies through the emergency.

As a result, most of the rest of the world was able to reopen to a very large degree by early summer. Moreover, they had amassed considerable experience with what worked in order to minimize the spread of the virus.

In the United States, an incompetent and irresponsible man in the top job, faced with his first real crisis, did noting. He assembled a task force, and them spent the rest of the year attacking and undermining its reccomendations and denigrating it’s personnel.

While the leaders of the free world urged their citizens to be patient and responsible in the face of crisis, our president told people to ignore his own Administration’s reccomendations and made a show of flaunting them in pubic. In between, he promoted a series of quacks and quack cures.

There was no national leadership when it came to preventing or controlling the epidemic. Indeed, in contrast to the rest of the world, our “leader” announced the he would take no responsibility at all. Words that should never come out of the mouth of any public official.

All that adds up. It does add up to lives. Trump’s irresponsibility, and his supporters willingness to participate in it did cost lives. Herman Caine was one of them.

And the economic impact will be real and sustained.

No other major industrial economy suffered nearly as steep a decline in GDP as the United States did.

And no other major industrial economy suffered nearly as sustained a high rate of unemployment, either.

The long term consequences of that will be the legacy of a leader, who, when crisis came said this:

“Frankly no, I take no responsibility at all”

 

You people are blaming Trump for COVID-19. That is only your side’s argument that I am using here.

 

Trans people are not an ethnic group. Let’s just stop your pages-long argument right here, right now.

 

1. Ethnic cleansing can also include sexual minorities.
2. African Americans and Latinos are ethnic minorities that are especially vulnerable to the Corona virus.