You can't hunt with an AR - part II

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  1. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Well-Known Member

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    Hunting can be done with a slingshot, even just a stone.
    The AR 15 is a dress-up-play-soldier toy. Its appeal is its identical look to the Army version. It is supposed to convey virility, to impress. Of course it can be used to shoot animals, as any firearm can. Of course the round it uses is accurate at impressive distances. Other rifles share these attributes. There is no need to make special legislation about this one model. It is just another rifle, or should be. It has simply become emblematic of a mindset, and a disturbing one.
     
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    It's appeal is that its flexibility is unmatched by any other firearm. With just a single firearm, a user can switch from a specialized home defense set up to a competition rifle to a hunting rifle to a long range precision rifle with about 15 to 20 seconds per change.

    With a little practice and knowledge, someone can build an AR style exactly to their own specifications for a specific purpose, and next month completely change that to anything else that they might want. I'm not aware of any other type of firearm available in over 100 user changeable calibers.
     
  3. TOG 6

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    Indeed. The AR10/15 is likely as close to the perfect firearm platform there will be.
     
  4. Texan

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    This guy was successful. I'd hate to be this guy if the first shot didn't kill it and it was charging me and all I had was a bolt action rifle.

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    You can just about hunt any animal with any rifle
    So what? Our rights to own them isn't for hunting.
     
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    Doesn't mean you can't hunt with it.
     
  7. TOG 6

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    I happened upon this the other day, looking for something else.
    You -can- hunt deer with it this AR, but you shouldn't.

    The Mk18 Mjölnir

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    https://sword-int.com/mk-18/



     
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  8. An Taibhse

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    Which studies?
     
  9. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would say a Trackingpoint .338 bolt action intelligent aiming rifle that except in a strong cross wind could hit a human at nearly a mile with it impossible to miss because once the target is locked in it will not fire until exactly on target. As a bolt action it is not semi-auto.

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    The energy on impact is 4630 pounds compared to an AR15's measly 1250's foot pounds. 300 gram bullet versus 70 grams. The range is 1400 yards compared to an AR15's 600 yards realistically effective range.

    You can not miss a 1000 yard shot with the ShadowTrax8 as it will not even allow you to miss - while you'd likely miss multiple shots from an AR15 at half the distance and in experienced shooters with an AR15 with a 30 round magazine would like miss all 300 shots - and the AR15 as a 22 caliber usually only wounds while a .338 Lapua Magnum bullet will obliterate any part of the human body it hits - and will punch thru quarter inch steel plate as if tissue paper to do it if needed.

    Nor is there a SWAT armored vehicle that can stop the .338 Lapua Magnum unless maybe at maximum range.

    Unlike an AR15, the ShadowTrax8 also will not miss even if the person is running to the side as fast as the person can run - as it calculated that too.

    Line up half a dozen people one behind the other at a couple hundred yards and the .338 Lapua Magnum could hit and kill all 6. It will virtually always kill whatever it hits even if a hippo or elephant, while an AR15 usually only wounds a person who will survive if they can get medical care.
    https://www.tracking-point.com/weapons/shadowtrax8-338-lapua-magnum-bolt-action/

    Non-shooters has matched or beat the best military snipers with a maximum range shot in dead air with a Trackingpoint rifle on their first shot.

    That is my choice for the best firearm to hunt humans with...

    ...unless you can get your hands on a TrackingPoint .50 BMG caliber bolt action - though you'd have to find a used one as the company stopped selling them new voluntarily on the governments strong request they do so.

    NEXT QUESTION?

    High capacity magazine semi auto rifle without intelligent sighting and as affordable as an AR15?

    A Springfield NATO .308 semi-auto or similar of any brand, though a WW2 30.06 Springfield would also be better than an AR15.
     
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  10. An Taibhse

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    Every thing is a balance, right tool for the intended task. But, nice to have an adjustable platform, a mix and match without a great deal of compromise.
     
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    ~ Oh man - nice . I would love to target shoot with the Remington rifle. Reminds me of going out with my Dad and a few .22's to do some "plinking". :machinegun:
     
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    Is that a .223, .300BLK or .308?
     
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    And some folks think those critters aren't a problem in some parts of the country. Like to have that bad boy hangin' around YOUR property?
     
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    Barrel looks too big to be .223. My guess is .308. AR-10?
     
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    Who are you to dictate what weapon someone chooses?
     
  16. TOG 6

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    Context, please.
     
  17. An Taibhse

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    Why when an AR15 mentioned is the an automatic assumption it’s chambered in .223 or 5.56 by a majority of those that oppose it’s ownership? Never mind, I know the answer. It’s equivalent to the idea that when talking about a bolt action we mean a 30-06 or .308. And my suspicion is that most of the critics have never hunted and harvested game in their lives. To them I say, go ahead and hunt bear with a .22lr... let me know what type of gun you would use.
     
  18. TOG 6

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    It's not.
    Most of the time, they have no idea what it is chambered for, 5.56x45 or otherwise.
     
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    Parker, the kid pictured below, took a deer with an AR @ 128 yards
    An AR -pistol- no less. Makes sense - small shooter, small gun.
    .350 legend, I am told. Ohio changed its laws to allow hunting deer with rifles chambered for straight-wall cartridges.

    Not only can you hunt with an AR, you can build your AR to suit the game you want to hunt and the hunter who will take it.

    Good job, kid.

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    The only thing better than cleanly harvesting a deer is being a good chef, preparing it and then eating it’s meat, served with good wine. Makes a great winter meal... lots deer, lots venison dinner, lots wine, lots good after meal tawny port, lots of memories.
     
  21. Enuf Istoomuch

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    The Armalite Rifle design is excellent for hunting. Lightweight, durable, accurate. Available in dozens of calibers. There would not be millions of them in private hands were it not for the adaptability of the design to so many shooting sports applications.

    Another thing, there is no such thing as a gun without an ancestry in military firearms development. Every rifle or handgun that exists has military arms development among its forebears. That includes the Remington 700 shown at the beginning of this topic.
     

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