Voter Fraud Ring Caught Rigging Elections for Democrats in Texas

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  1. StillBlue

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    Here's a fun site that shows voter fraud across the nation historically. It's at the Heritage Foundation, not exactly a libel er liberal bunch .
    It's fun to note that Texas is a hotbed for fraud and the states it sued not so much.
     
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    Secured from without(foreign governments), not necessarily from within. As such, the statement addresses nothing regarding the testimonies or allegations of fraud. Consequently it is a purely deceptive statement, essentially meaningless to the issue at hand.
     
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    Er, the merits were on display? The bullshit accusations without a shred of actual evidence demonstrates why these fairy tales got ZERO traction in the courts

    As for CISA they deal with certifying voting systems, ensuring that votes can be changed




    Baselessly?

    You claim massive election fraud stole the election, that REQUIRES the belief in a national bi partisan conspiracy, aided and abetted by both the media AND the entire judicial system and foreign actors, and yet this doesn;t mean you dont believe the very core if american democracy is corrupt.

    That is the entire point that you seem to have missed in your indignance.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    "James Troupis, a lawyer for the Trump team in Wisconsin, described what he said were several problems. One was that in Madison, Wisconsin, 17,271 ballots were received through improper and illegal means, unsupervised, in violation of statute. They were commingled with legitimate ballots.

    “Three million people properly voted in Wisconsin,” Troupis told the committee. “More than 200,000—identified in this recount—did not. But those votes got counted. Our statutes say they should not have been. That, in our view, is a taint on our election in Wisconsin.”

    As if to put that number in context, Johnson noted, “Joe Biden won our state by about 20,000 votes.”

    Some mail-in voters also identified themselves as “permanently confined,” meaning they were unable to leave their homes to go to the polls. However, that included poll workers and an elector for Biden in the Electoral College, Troupis said.

    “We had people who went to protests, people who had vacations, people who had weddings. All claimed this status, ‘I can’t get to the polls,’” Troupis continued. “So, they were allowed to vote without identification. There were 28,395 people we explicitly identified. Finally, there are other categories in which as much as 170,000 other ballots were submitted without any application.”

    "The media and Democrats heralded a statement that called the 2020 election “the most secure ever.”

    However, Christopher Krebs, the former director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, stated several times that his agency was not directly addressing fraud, which would be a criminal matter.

    The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, a division of the Department of Homeland Security, focuses on foreign election meddling, hacking, disinformation campaigns, and other matters.

    “Despite some claims, this statement does not address voter fraud, which is not within this group’s ambit,” Krebs told the committee. “Instead, the statement focuses on manipulation or hacking of the machines supporting elections.”

    On Nov. 12, the executive committees of the Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council and the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council issued a joint statement that said: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

    Krebs said it wasn’t his agency that issued the statement.

    “To ensure the facts are clear, this was not a CISA statement, but rather a joint statement from the election security community, reflecting the consensus of that community, that CISA published,” he said.

    He was later asked about whether he identified election irregularities. Krebs said he stood by his view that it was the most secure election in American history.

    “I have yet to see anything from a security perspective—a security perspective—that would change my opinion on that,” he said. “Fraud is a different matter. It’s a criminal matter.”



    I have not claimed massive election fraud stole the election and yes the merits of just some of the cases were on display. The courts have not addressed those merits. And CISA was not a criminal investigation or a fraud investigation.


    You did not listen to the hearings yesterday and are grabbing at straws. And again you have no idea how our elections work here and fraud does not require a national bi partisan conspiracy. There were 51 totally separate elections held each under it's own rules, each tabulated separately. And the election for President and VP were not the only elections going on there were elections from members of Congress down to dog catcher with state legislatures and city counsels and mayors and judges and sec states and on and on and on all important elections to those local voters and in close elections all it takes is a few fraudulent votes to change those outcomes.
     
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    Obviously you find voting important. Did you call your Senator's office and tell him how concerned you are about elections in your State? Did you encourage your Senator to bring these concerns to Washington so that perhaps Congress can do something about these terrible election atrocities? If not, why not? Or did your concerns only bloom once Trump lost the election?
     
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    My state elections were just fine, we did not have mass mail in voting and my Reps know my concerns nationally. Obviously you do not find voting and the integrity of such voting important or you would not stand for what occurred during this last election and would be demanding a full investigation and remedies so it doesn't happen again.
     
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    Why would I be upset at what took place during this last election? No fraud was proven. Our Country voted in numbers never seen before in my lifetime at least. Why do conservatives want less people voting? We want to encourage our fellow citizens to vote.
     
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    Yup yup yup. And we have this:
    https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
     
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    Except for the fact that Troupis had NO EVIDENCE other than an affidavit. It seems that the accusation is sufficient proof of voter fraud and the disenfranchisement of millions of americans. All in the name of election integrity.


    Thank you for pointing out that it wasnt CISA that issued the statement about election security/ I am gratified it was a consensus of ALL of the ELECTION SECURITY COMMITTEE.

    And yes, they merely certify systems to ensure the results cannot be manipulatd opr votes flipped as that idiot Kraken nonsense claimed

    They are not the courts nor law enforcement

    Now that is a serious mental contortion. Amazing you now claim concern for dog catchers everywhere. Its not about trumpian delusion of robbery, its about all those stiffed on the down ticket
     
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    You did not watch the hearings and the evidence presented under oath which refutes your statement and those affidavits were to be submitted as evidence but it never made it to trial.

    Thank you for admitting and that the Dems and MSM have been misrepresenting what they did say.

    And have nothing to do with the fraud that is the main issue, and they did not say cannot not be flipped but that they were not flipped in the machines they looked at.

    And why we, my country not you, need a full investigation into those states where irregularities have been pointed out. Why are you so concerned with an election system in which you do not participate in a country in which you are not a citizen?

    I claim concern for ALL elections from dog catcher to the President. And again you don't understand our election system here and the ramifications of election fraud from top to bottom. There were 51 separate elections on election day here and each of those had multiple candidates and issues on the ballots. That you consider that a contortion only proves my point. And just one example from 2016, the control of the statehouse in Virginia came down to one election for one state representative that ended in a dead tie. They literally had to flip a coin to see which candidate won and that candidates party took control of the statehouse. That's a key issue here in the various states. And just ONE fraudulent vote could have changed that outcome.
     
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    I am not sure what the punishment for voter fraud is, but we should up the punishment as far as possible so long as it can survive an 8th amendment challenge. We should make the punishment so severe that no one would even consider screwing with an election. Personally, I believe voter fraud is akin to treason since it strikes to the heart of our society and should be punished accordingly.
     
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    Ah, another debunked myth turned into a breathless pearl-clutching thread. Rinse, repeat.
     
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    The country should be so lucky.
     
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    Yea, Biden got 11 million more votes than he and Obama got in 2008. Easy to see who carried that ticket.
     
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    https://www.fayobserver.com/story/n...e-accused-of-social-security-fraud/112321788/

    RALEIGH — A Bladen County man under investigation in connection with an illegal ballot harvesting operation that upended a North Carolina congressional election was indicted this month on allegations of Social Security fraud.

    No one ever said there was never ever any fraud or attempts...


    Two years after Bladen County ballot fraud, absentee security strengthened by new law
    https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article246344405.html


    But this incessant bellowing of how Trump lost the election because we all cheated his dumb ass without any proof is getting to be unnerving...
     
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    Good and we need a full investigation into how voting fraud occurs especially with mass mail in voting and how ballots are handled and then of course the case that needs to get to the SCOTUS concerning unauthorized officials changing the rules of elections.
     
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    Texas did not sue other states about fraud.
     
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    Of course not, they sued because of the possibility of fraud not that there Actually was any
     
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    Texas did not sue the other states about the possibility of fraud, they sued about constitutional issues and equal protection.
     
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    Yep! It was Trump hate

    You know - that thing you have been griping about for four years?
     
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    The US Supreme Court doesn't review those cases they are for the states only to finalize the rules..
     
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    Were you trying to make a point with this post? If so, you failed. Care to try again?
     
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    Voter fraud is small, 0.000007%.
    All caught get prosecuted.
    All elections are investigate for fraud. It will continue to always be investigated. That's why fraud never will determine an election outcome. And never is a long long time.
     
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    You are correct. How about that.

    Chris Krebs, a lifelong Republican, was put in charge of the agency handling election security by President Trump two years ago. When Krebs said the election was the country's most secure ever, Mr. Trump fired him. Now, Krebs speaks to Scott Pelley.
    ...
    Chris Krebs: Paper ballots. Paper ballots give you the ability to audit, to go back and check the tape and make sure that you got the count right. And that's really one of the keys to success for a secure 2020 election. 95% of the ballots cast in the 2020 election had a paper record associated with it. Compared to 2016, about 82%.
    ...
    Scott Pelley: To quote from the November 12th statement that CISA and its partners put out, "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes or changed votes or was in any way compromised."

    Chris Krebs: Yeah, I stand by that.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-results-security-chris-krebs-60-minutes-2020-11-29/
     
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    Feel free to read the complaint but texas sued because it was their contention that penns unconstitutional actions could lead to voter fraud and delute legit votes. Note that they didn't say fraud did occur but gee golly it might have by gum.
     
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