Twitter and Facebook account of Trump blocked!

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  1. Pycckia

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    Does that include people who attack the Second Amendment?
     
  2. Pycckia

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    Seems to me you also want Freedom of Speech to be terminated.
     
  3. Montegriffo

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    I would not call Hitler, Churchill, violent protesters or the white supremacists in Charlottesville fine people.
    I would hope you would agree.
     
  4. Montegriffo

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    It's an amendment, as such it is open to further amendments.
     
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    The Dems are days away from taking total control of the Government and scared sh**less of Trump. Hard to figure.
     
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  6. Montegriffo

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    Not scared of Trump himself, scared of those he whipped up into a violent frenzy and those he may have inspired to violence with further calls to ''save America''.
     
  7. zer0lis

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    The Russian state officially unblocked Telegram this year because they got access to the encryption keys by other means or it was a PR stunt from the very beginning.
    Few states allow unreadable communications of its citizens, certainly not the US or Russia.
    They must have the possibility to read the comms, not necessarily proactively doing it in mass now.
    Eventually, the data will be fed to population control AI systems and related. The CCP leads the way as it stands. That ****'s the ****ing future.
     
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  9. Destroyer of illusions

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    In other words, you are visual proof that Telegram is known in the USA, EU and other countries.
     
  10. zer0lis

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    Yes, I have tried telegram but sadly most of my peers are on WhatsApp.

    If I want secure comms, I ll roll out my own implementation based on open source projects. It's becoming f difficult as hard encryption is classified as military controlled export by the US gov
     
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  11. Mandelus

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    WHAT????

    So it is OK for you that Freedom of Speech can be abused as cover to say, write and finally act to terminate this right?
     
  12. Mandelus

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    Nice try ... still waited since 1 week that someone will come with right this argument!

    Do you understand the following? It is about the abuse of democratic, constitutional rights in order to abolish precisely those democratic and constitutional rights that grant these rights!
    So the correct comparison is this one:

    Under the abuse of the right to freedom of speech, call and act to abolish the constitution that guarantees this and all other rights! To say Freedom of Speech is crap, I am in favor of abolishing it, is something else!
    In gun law it would be to abuse the right to one's own weapon by using one's own weapon to abolish the constitution which guarantees this right. To say that the 2nd addition is crap and must be abolished, tightened or reformed is something else!

    But apart from that ... it's about the fact that Twitter, Facebook and the other are economic companies and have legally set up rules for the use of their product. Some people may not like these rules, but these people are free not to use these services.
    But if a person uses them, then every user has to obey these rules ... no matter if it is Mr. Smith, Ms. Miller or a Donald Trump. If the person does not do this, the operator has every right to enforce his rules accordingly ... and that has nothing to do with freedom of speech and a restriction! To say that is just stupid!

    Or to make it for you much clearer:
    If I were to make a post and write that I wish Trump to die tonight, then I would be violating the rules of this forum with all the corresponding consequences from deleting my post to deleting my account! Would that also be an illegal act or (illegal) censorship for you because it restricts my right to freedom of speech? Not for me ... because these are the rules of the forum and therefore I as a user have to adhere to them!
     
  13. Mandelus

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    As I already said ... January 20th and what happens afterwards in the USA from the right-wing extremists and hardcore Trumponians will be exciting ;-)

    As far as Europe is concerned, it is much more relaxed in meantime ... and, above all, with regard to the abuse of fundamental rights for the purpose of abolishing fundamental rights, much more defensible against the scraps of right and left. Parties like Alternative für Deutschland are currently well on the way to destroying themselves through internal power struggles and disputes and sinking back into insignificance. Same for Le Pen in France and all the other right-wing extremists in Europe.
    That's why these idiots jump so readily on these idiotic conspiracy theories about COVID-19, because it's all just a conspiracy and guilt of China, Russia, Bill Gates, Soros, the WHO and no idea who else ... maybe Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck too

    But as far as right-wing radicalism is concerned, please also look to your own country! Also in Russia there is a bigger problem ... not with people from Africa, the Middle East, etc. ... but internally against people from the Far East part of Russia who are not Eurasian Russian, or with people from the Caucasus. Please mate ... don't deny that. I am referring to news and reports from RT = Russia Today ... not form any western media source!
     
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    I don't argue. Modern Russia is a capitalist state, the same as Germany, USA, Italy, Spain, ... etc. That is, Russia has exactly the same problems as all of the above countries. The only difference is that the Russian government was smart enough not to repeat the EU and US migration policies. And also the Russian government was smart enough not to repeat the policy of tolerance towards all mentally ill people.
    If we talk about interethnic conflicts in Russia, they sometimes arise. Nobody argues with this. And the tension at the household level can only be with some of the inhabitants of the Caucasus. Mostly from rural areas, where the difference in culture and customs is most pronounced. But they are not as pronounced as in the EU. And the merit is that these conflicts are weak and do not develop into something irreconcilable outside the policy of the current government. This is an achievement of Soviet ideology, when the slogan was "Workers of all countries unite".
    As for the inhabitants of the Far East, there are no conflicts at all. Both in central Russia and in the Far East, Russians live with exactly the same mentality. Therefore, talking about national conflicts between these regions is stupid. It's like saying that in Germany there are national conflicts between the Bavarians and the Swabians.
    But back to the fascization of the world.
    Perhaps the Alternative for Germany is mired in internal party squabbles. You know better. But the fact is that fascization is not necessarily torchlight processions and book burning. This is not necessarily the swastika and the screams of "Sieg Heil". The leading party can be called whatever you like, for example, the SPD or the CDU, and even actively criticize the Nazis, but in fact pursue a fascist policy.
    I'll give you an example. At the beginning of the last century, there was an association in Russia called the Black Hundred. This association was under the patronage of the royal family. They did not have a swastika, they did not arrange torchlight processions ... etc., but in fact, they were the most real fascists. So the fascization of society can take place under different guises.
    Modern capitalism has outlived its usefulness. The economy cannot continue to exist in the same way as before. Therefore, humanity has only one way - building a communist society. But the oligarchs and exploiters around the world will resist this with all available methods. And for the oligarchs, the most reliable way to try to preserve power and capital is fascism.
    And the fascization of the world is already underway. But you probably know how fascism inevitably ends. Therefore, humanity must resist with all available forces of the fascization of society in their countries.
     
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  15. Pycckia

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    Of course. I am baffled that you don't see this. Personally I am not in favor of scrapping the 1st Amendment, but I am liberal enough to entertain arguments that do.
     
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    Amendment 1 does not apply to falsely shouting, "Fire!" in a crowded theater. You cannot within your 1st Amendment right repeatedly shout a bold-face lie (i.e. falsely claiming over-and-over again to an angry crowd that you have overwhelming won an election which you overwhelmingly lost, especially when that angry crowd is being falsely led to believe their, "landslide," election victory was stolen from them) coupled with calls for fighting and confrontation with results like January 6th's Capitol invasion any more than you can falsely shout, "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater. There are limits to all Amendments. Trump breached Amendment 1 and, at the same time, participated in inciting a riot. Trump's and his riotous followers' behavior is anti-American, vile, and treasonous.
     
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    Well stated!! I like to think of "freedom of speach........or whatever freedoms )........ has to be responsible peach. It is i responsible to shout "fire" in a theater , when there is none. Hate speach is irresponsible . As is hurtful speach. One can goon from there.

    The point is that Freedom of speach does NOT mean one can say whatever vile words that one might have in their personal & creative vocabulary
     
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    This runs contrary to the text of the amendment and the judiciary's long standing interpretation of it.
     
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    Trump never told his supporters to storm the capital or anything like that.
     
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  20. Mandelus

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    I don't know now whether to laugh or cry at your answer ... Anyway ... I wish you a lot of fun with someone like Adolf Hitler in the future, who abused exactly these rights in his election campaign in order to publicly announce them ... and then completely abolished them when he got a democratic majority and through the stupidity of the conservative right power had taken! And the way it looks at the moment, Donald Trump and his hardcore extremists Trumponians are on the same path as Hitler and his SA back then ...
     
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    Not? Did you hear / read his own words?
    Sure ... he did not use words like "lets attack capitol" ... because he too smart not to do it, but he ordered his Trumponians to go t capitol and help to prevent the ongoing process etc. ... isn't it?
     
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    I'll wait for to post it the evidence ok
     
  23. Mandelus

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    Well ... :-D

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    WRONG! Just as your right to bear arms does not allow you to shoot an innocent person on Main Street, the right to Free Speech does not afford you the privilege of falsely shouting, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Both are breeches of law. Like it or not we are a nation of laws.
     
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    "Anything like that," leaves your claim open for the response of, "WRONG!" And the liar falsely shouting, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater does not have to tell the crowd to stomp over each other, injure one another, and break things. The instigator is at fault. The BIG FAT LIE coupled with calls for: combat, getting tough, teaching them a lesson, "fight like hell," and on and on and on... THAT is criminal and punishable and, in this instance ~ treason. Capice?
     

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