To Impeach Trump or?? Consequences for Inciting Insurrection.

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  1. GlobalCitizen

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    Yes, this has been normalized. Now they are repeating this insurrection term to somehow distinguish this from just another protest turning violent. As if these guys' protest somehow had the potential to overthrow our government. What baloney. There was no possibility of this protest resulting in a different political structure or election outcome. They could have occupied that building until inauguration day and Biden would still be POTUS.
     
  2. Richard Franks

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    I found out that Donald Trump did abuse his power at the first impeachment, I don't know if there was the second time.. There might have been but who knows?
     
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    Good question. Probably as long as it serves them politically. Watching some of them today......it was evident that they had over does d on the Trump big lie Kool-aid. They continue to play the distraction game.
     
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    That is a big claim........but where is your hard evidence of same??
     
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    The evidence is in their actions.
     
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    for example:???
     
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    The silencing of political opposition. Please don’t deny it.

    Look what they are doing today.
     
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  8. MiaBleu

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    HOW are they doing it?? I am interested in our perspective..
     
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    They've been doing it gradually over a long period of time, but the effort has been intensified over the last four years. They now have total control if the media to include the giant corporations which control the flow of information.

    You watch how the senate changes the rules over the next session in order to silence the opposition.
     
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    I have to admit that we are in a period of one party rule because we only have one party and a personality cult that doesn't have the capacity to be a governing partner. The ten Republicans who voted to impeach Trump today offer some hope if the Trumpsters don't kill them.
     
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    That Trump cult is worrisome..:cry::cry::frown: as is their leader.

    There are more troops IN the US now in preparing for the potential violence in all the major cities. than there are in other nations.


    The Republican party is morphing into something.....yet to be determined.

    It seems that the country is at a critical pint at the moment.
     
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    The Republican Party could return to its conservative roots, but that's going to require an exodus of the liberal wing of the party.

    The Republican Party became obsessed with garnering the adoration of the media. They thought they would get it by by looking for conservative principles to compromise on. All that accomplished was the media losing respect for them, as they should.

    By the way, there are always more troops in the US than there are in other nations. This is good thing. We don't want our military presence overseas increased.
     
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    Maybe not in the second but there was in the first.
     
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    Donald Trump is considered dangerous and no one really knows what he'll do next. It was said that the January 6 incident was just a taste of things to come. It's a shame that Trump can't accept defeat. He just a sore loser or perhaps a poor sport if you know what I mean.
     
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    The first what? The impeachment?
     
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    He handled the post election era poorly. That's not an abuse of power. There's no grounds for impeachment now just as there was no grounds for the first impeachment.


    The first impeachment was planned before Trump took office. The Ukrainian phone call issue was almost comically partisan. This one isn't comical. It's pathetic, shameful and harmful to the country.



    This is simply bitter partisan politics on steroids.
     
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    I saw some of the Impeachment proceedings on TV (CNN and MSNBC) I guess for the viewer was worth it. Trump will be out as President. The sooner the better. Trump and his loyalists are going to have to learn that no man is above the law. and That's a fact.
     
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    The first impeachment. Yes where he was charged of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress
     
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    To Impeach Trump or?? Consequences for Inciting Insurrection.

    There should be consequences for inciting insurrection. But Trump didn't incite one. In tact there wasn't an insurrection. There was a riot like tons of them last year.
     
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    "This is your brain on Steroids" - is this the appeal to authority being referenced ?

    Ah yes - Trump is a bad guy - a doofus and a clown - arrogant self aggrandizing Social Darwinist with delusions of grandeur .

    A good front man to be sure - of this continuing clown show - reality TV saga ..

    What concerns me is that the bar for terrorism has been now set very low. Protest resulting in riot is now "Terrorism" - and all those involved "Terrorists" .. and the one that incited these folks .. and inciter of terrorists ... and ya know - we must protect the nation from all Threats .. both foreign and domestic .. .. especially of the terrorist kind.

    If this was the bar during Obama's time - he should have been impeached on the same grounds .. Terrorism - aiding the enemy - and arming the enemy in fact..

    but - hey - what do I know - Only that the Orwellian irony in this clown show is dripping with hypocrisy.
     
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    This was not a protest gone out of control / violent. It was a lot more organized , with instructions to bring items that could be used for destruction. New information is coming out all the time.......that confirms that. It was a planned insurrection.........


    The concern is how come the security was so unprepared . there was chatter that something like this was going to happen. The mob had their own communication system. This violence was organized and planned.

    It was terrorism by definition. ....domestic variety.

    And only a destructive e psychopath would find pleasure in what happened

    Reports from inside the whit-house are indicating that Trump is talking to the photographs on the walls........saying " I won", I won".

    He could well be out of touch with reality......in serious way.

    It is evident that he is mentally unstable and has been for some time..

    He is now eradication and toxic.

    His legacy will be his mishandling the pandemic.......and his refusal to accept that he LOST.........

    All of his own doing.
     
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    By whose definition was it Terrorism - Certainly not the US definition ..

    The first is the State Dept claiming an Islamist Extremist group - and Al Qaeda Affiliate - Ahrar Al Sham - were not terrorists but "moderates" so they could continue to arm them.

    The going got tough when it came out that this group had just executed 100 people in an Alawite town in Syria - and were Al Nusra affiliates .. Al Qaeda in Syria. and at this point in the war .. part of the new Islamic State.



    And again defending these radical Islamist Al Qaeda Jihadists - who definitely meet the definition of Terrorists - in every sense of the word - and it is all over the internet - proud they are of their actions.



    So then - what definition of "Terrorist" are we using -

    If we use Obama's definition above - the riot does not even come close.

    If we use your definition - any Protest that gets out of hand could be said to be terrorists - and all those involved branded "Terrorists"

    Just curious why you don't want to go with Obama's definition now that you know what it is.

    More curious perhaps is how this glaring hypocrisy is not apparent to all these Blue Clowns in congress - and the MSM - Never heard of the War in Syria that we were partaking in for a decade and counting ? that one .. No .. don't ring no bells in the heads of all these folks .. most of which refused to sign on to the - "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" .. Because Blue wants to continue arming, supplying, supporting terrorist groups.

    There were 13 Bipartisan Co-Sponsors to this bill - out of 435 .. "Ohhh .. the Horror" Terrorism ..

    These people are disingenuous and evil to the max - either that or really stupid and uninformed.

    Its obscene Reality TV of a most foul nature. - an Orwellian clown show - and lesson in hypocrisy is our Congress.

    What part of "We should stop arming and supporting Al Qaeda" - was difficult to understand ? The title kind of says it all don't you think ? Never mind being in congress and listening to testimony given - testifying as to what Obama's "Coalition of the willing" was up to and the horrible things that happened on the basis of the actions of this large coalition of nations - Led by Heir Obama ..

    War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity , rape, forced marriage , genocide, - refugee crisis .. millions fleeing the cities that were taken over by the Islamist Jihadists - and turned into a strict sharia nightmare - dark age style - with daily executions - and all that fun stuff ... Our boys in Syria those are our boys .. our little proxy army - well - quite a big one actually.

    The new Islamic State that was created by Obama and friends - Brother Saud being one that gets mentioned often - France , Britain less so .. Turkey got a fair bit of press .. but this was more of a distraction as they have separate issues with the kurds.

    Tulsi introduced a bill to stop arming this Islamic State to the House - 13 Bipartisan co-Sponsors When Rand introduced the Bill into the Senate - he did so with a total of Zero - Co-Sponsors ..

    but anyway .. we been fighting alongside Al Qaeda in 2 wars Syria for much of the last decade.. and we are still fighting with AQ in Yemen are we not ? things have calmed down there a bit lately. ..

    We discontinued out relationship with the Islamic State in Syria - after a thriving 6 year relationship - in 2017.

    I encourage you to see what Syria and Yemen have been through over the last Decade - then you will know what Terrorism looks like.

    The protesters that stormed the building - some getting out of hand as protesters do.. were mostly off duty Mall Cops with not much better to do with their time.

    Your bar for Terrorism is rather low IMEO :)
     
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    it certainly is now in the eyes of the entire civilized world forever more
     
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    Not civilized at all - abject madness would be a better description - The Rule of Law is what Civilized nations abide by - and you want to throw this in the trash can - on a number of counts - One person not to be punished for the actions of another - Punishment fit the Crime - and so on.

    but - if in your authoritarian borg world - Anyone involved in a protest that gets out of hand - and some folks smash a few things - some folks get hurt - will be classified as a terrorist .. then well - we disagree :)
     
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