Democrats must solidify power

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The wise man loves to be corrected. Memorize that. Be aware of that.
     
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    You miss the obvious problem.

    For the most part, Congress DOES NOT WANT those powers. They want long careers in office. You don't get long careers having to take potentially unpopular stands which inevitably occurs when you have actual power.
     
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    The big empty land is part of a state. We have had no city by itself become a state in itself. You're just playing one party controls all politics wanting no opposition. But that is the way it is in today's modern era of our politics. The polarization, the divisiveness and mega, ultra partisanship where the good of the party takes precedence over the good of the country. As long as today's era of politics continue, we'll be destroying ourselves from within, the cause, our two major parties and their leaders.
     
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    Population size>>>>>>>Land. DC statehood now!
     
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    You don't realize I suppose that D.C. is governed specifically by the U.S. Constitution. You would need a constitutional amendment passed and ratified to make it a state.

    I'm pretty sure that will never happen.
     
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    Incorrect.
     
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    That's ridiculous.

    What I'm saying is that there are already states with less population than DC. Not that they should all be the same.
     
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    What the hell are you saying? They already are! They are called Idaho and Texas. DC and PR are not states!
     
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    Then integrate D.C. into Maryland or Virginia and be done with it. Problem solved.
     
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    What problem? There is no "problem"

    Whether they want to be a state, or be incorporated to another state is up to the citizens of DC. Not to me or you. Which BTW they already did. Only step pending for them (same as PR) is for Congress, by simple majority in a joint resolution, to approve their State Constitution and the President to sign.

    There is no reason why they shouldn't both (PR and DC) be states before the 2022 mid-terms.
     
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    Ironically I concur with the first part. They all should be replaced with populists who act on the will of their constituents instead of the will of their donors. After the Covid bill that the Republicans collaborated with the Democrats on, the ONLY current legislators worthy of retaining power are the ones that did not sign on to that abomination. I have never seen a greater insult to the American people than that bloated piece of garbage that was just another giveaway to the elite. I loathe to my core a class of people that spends their entire lives living off my tax dollars, distribute my tax dollars in a way that harms me and then moralizes against me.

    Hilariously Beijing Biden's inauguration will be filled with billionaires and millionaires and will:
    These dipshits live in a different universe than most Americans. We are not coming together, their assertion that we will borders on a call to violence. The context of that is "you will come together or we will deperson you." Not my President. Not my Senate. Not my House. Not my Supreme Court. Time for a tax revolt. Let them use their own money. If 70 million Americans simply stopped paying taxes, there isn't a thing the federal government could do other than to listen to their grievances and act upon them.

    https://www.vulture.com/2021/01/tom-hanks-to-host-joe-biden-inauguration-tv-special.html
     
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    And a constitutional amendment as I linked to above.

    At any rate the residents of D.C. are not the sole arbiters of whether they become a state or not. Because that is the capital of the United States. The WHOLE United States. Thus all American citizens have just as much stake in the fate of the city as residents there do.
     
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    No need for a constitutional amendment. The only thing that the Constitution demands is a District no larger than 10 miles. And that can be accomplished by reducing the size of the federal district to an unpopulated area that surrounds the government buildings, the National Mall, and some museums and monuments. Which Congress can do.

    They are the sole arbiters of whether they want to become a state, or be incorporated into Maryland or Virginia, or neither, and maintain the status quo.

    The Federal District is the capital. That doesn't change. The size of the Federal District affects nobody but the residents. And once there are no residents, it just affects nobody.
     
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    greed and hunger for power and the shutting down of any disagreeing opinions...YUP! OP has proved to be a good democrat
     
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    You did not read the material at my link did you?
     
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    It's amazing how quick an opinion can change. This is Salon from Dec. 20th.

    Puerto Rico wants statehood — but only Congress can make it the 51st state in the U.S. | Salon.com

    Puerto Rico didn't become the 51st state then, and it is unlikely to achieve statehood any time soon. Only Congress can add new states to the Union, via an Admission Act or House Resolution that requires approval by a simple majority in the House and Senate.

    Trump gave Democrats the Senate. Even Salon didn't see that coming.
     
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    Democrats are ALL ABOUT POWER over people.
     
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    And Republicans are all about power over lawnmowers. WTH are you talking about?
     
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    Not sure what link you are talking about. But I abide by forum rules. Which say that a link should be used to support a point, and not to make if for you.
     
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    My link outlined at least three different ways that the Constitution defines both the District of Columbia and how it is governed. And why it becoming a state would require amending the U.S. Constitution.

    And we know that won't happen.
     
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    Eliminating an entire other party because you disagree with them is un-American, undemocratic. Advocating for the removal of representation of millions of Americans is destroying our country and its wrong and sick.
     
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    I have already explained why making Washington DC a state does not affect in any way contravene anything in the constitution regarding the District of Columbia. And not only have you not made your case. You haven't even addressed my arguments. I guess that would mean that you have no counterarguments. Which is fine because I don't think there are any.

    BTW, it will happen. They have already complied with the steps in the Tennessee Plan (pioneered by Tennessee when THEY became a state.) The citizens already took the vote required, and 86% of the voters decided they wanted to be a state. They already submitted their state constitution to Congress. The only thing pending right now is for the Congress to approve their Constitution in a joint session, as well as the proposal for the new Federal District. Which should not be a problem with a Democratic majority. And for the President to sign, which should also not be a problem given that Biden has expressed support for the idea.

    This is how the new Federal District will look.

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    At first blush I would tend to agree with you, and then I think about California with their Democrat super majority and I wonder if that would really be such a bad idea after all, not to eliminate them, just to totally dominate them, at least for the next couple of terms.
     
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    Rules should be changed but not to benefit one side or the other.
    I've said this several times but here goes again
    Judges should require 60 votes so that judge candidates are palitable to both sides but there needs to be a mechanism that allows an or down vote of the entire Senate. That is what caused the rules to be changed to in the first place.
    Speaker and majority leader have way too much individual power. They should be first among equals just as the chief justice of the Supreme Court. How much damage was done by McConnell and Pelosi because of their omnipotence? McConnell unilaterally stop hundreds of bills, many with bilateral support. He blocked a highly qualified moderate justice from even getting a hearing for the best part of a year. There needs to be rules that allow actions with bilateral support to go around committees and individuals that block them.

    Make rules that in some cases force bipartisanship and others that allow for it to flourish.
     
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