The people who stormed the capital are.......

I don't care if God himself came down and said it. :shrug: Ideologies do not burn buildings. Ideologies do not commit violence. People do. People may burn and commit violence based on an ideology, but that still takes people. And whether you, the FBI Director, or God himself, like it or not there is a group of people, several groups actually, that label themselves as Antifa. That is fact. That is reality.

And yes, I noticed how you couldn't refute anything that I have said. All that you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating the same thing over and over.

 

For rioting.

 

I’m not interested in refuting made up sht.

 

IE: You can't refute it. We're on a debate site. If you are not interested in refuting things then why post? Don't you have anything better to do with your life than repeating talking points?

 

This morning I saw a post by a friend of mine who is a former art teacher. He said he had the Trump terrorist who was arrested here in class. He said he was a nice quiet kid. As a former teacher it's scary to think about the potential terrorists sitting in our classes just waiting for the right demigod to come along to give them a cause they could get behind.

 

Anecdote aside, perhaps you could give a bit more detail? What made the kid a "Trump terrorist"? What did the kid do to get arrested? Was this reported in the local news? If so could you give a link?

 

And where did I say that killing someone 'isn't enough'? The person that is convicted of killing someone should be justly punished.

Let go of your pearls.

 

Have to disagree. Sedition.


Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward rebellion against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent toward, or rebellion against, established authority.


Seems to fit the definition to me.

Sedition.

 

That definition could apply to anyone that riots at any time. "pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" ring a bell? Isn't that rebelling against the established order?

 

That's a mean-spirited thing to say, Dairy, especially considering that two days ago you were extolling the virtues of us all being a united United States of America... remember...?

Ideally, we're color-blind and gender-blind. And, most importantly, all of us EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW. We have been, Dairy, since 1965! We've had the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 for a very long time -- why does the liberal Left forget that so easily and act like as if we still had slavery in the country up until a few months ago...?! Why does the Left wing love to REVEL in all that old, old history so much...?

 

Why are there so many white supremacist groups being in public and vocal right now?

Speaking the truth doesn't mean I don't want a UNITED States of America.

We are not color or gender blind. We still have a long way to go.
But we are close to gender blind. Unless, it's the trans group.

Need to understand where our weakness still lies in being UNITED to achieve being UNITED.

 

I will make one (ONE) concession -- and that is that to this day, females are not (NOT) provided equal compensation in their careers to that provided their male peers. And that is terribly and inexcusably wrong -- women should be paid exactly the same when they have equal competence, equal performance, and are in all other relevant ways the EQUAL of the men in the same company, in the same job title.

But "racism"...? No. Diary. Truly... that is all a made-up CROCK. If anything, decades of "reverse discrimination" (Affirmative Action) in everything from college admissions to the ability of all qualified, responsive citizens to bid on ALL government contracts shows that "racism" in the U. S. is against WHITE people....

 

And you really think that saying:

Unites?

Your post gives the impression that everyone that supported Trump is a racist. Why else say "Trump world"? You could have easily left that out and phrased it completely different. But your own partisanship can't help but get digs at those that supported Trump. Additionally your post gives the impression that you're talking about all white men. At least that is generally what is talked about when people say "The white man". Its a broad brush stroke. If you really want unity then you need to stop blaming "The white man" for every little thing. In fact stop with the identarian bull crap period. It is talk like that that proves your comment that I bolded. Using Identitarianism is what is dividing this country. Not white supremacists. They were generally being ignored and giving no credence not all that long ago.

 

So, the Proud Bois are not real? And having an impact on society?

The white supremacy rally in Charlottesville a few years ago?

The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[4][5][6][7] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[8][9][10] Protesters included members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[7][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

 

Truth hurts. But we have to see the truth 1st, before we can heal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally
The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[4][5][6][7] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[8][9][10] Protesters included members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[7][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]

Proud bois.

Many white supremacy groups have a loud voice in today's USA. And they should not. If we want to be UNITED.

Is everyone who supported tRUMP a proud bois member? NO!!!!
Many who support tRUMP are evangelicals.

But no way, no how, are we color blind in this country.

 

The story was on MSNBC last night. This morning more details were in my local paper the Democrat andad Chronicle If you are interested it's on line.

 

No one in America is color blind, but some people make a conscious decision bot to judge people on one of the most superficial differences between people. You may as well divide people on the basis of eye color. Blue eyes vs brown eyes. Republicans like to claim that black people are just as racist as they are. That's not true, Black distain for the white race is not based on skin pigmentation. It is based on life experience with the dominant white culture.

 

That is a big problem.
Not judging people on character, but simply on skin color. Stereotyping

Stereotyping, whites are horrible, based on Charlottesville racist rally.

Violence erupted in the college town of Charlottesville on Aug. 12 after hundreds of white nationalists and their supporters who gathered for a rally over plans to remove a Confederate statue were met by counter-protesters, leading Virginia’s governor to declare a state of emergency.
https://time.com/charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-clashes/


The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[4][5][6][7] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[8][9][10] Protesters included members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[7][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

 

Thank you for confirming that you are LOCKED into only regurgitating DEBUNKED fallacy whataboutisms, Cy.

Which is sad because I had expected that you would be able to rise above them and appreciate that they are just MEANINGLESS bovine excrement pablum.

In essence you will EXCUSE cops MURDERING your fellow citizens in cold blood.

What comes next, Cy?

Are you going to make excuses for the TRAITORS who tried to DESTROY everything our nation stands for when they tried to LYNCH our democratically elected representatives at the Capitol?

That is the SLIPPERY SLOPE that you have stepped onto and that is where you are headed now.

Sad!

 

Playing the WHITE VICTIM card, Cy?

Sad!

 

In order to see the truth we must see more than one side. I hope one day you do.

You see, you have to go back to 2017 in order to find anything major from white supremacists. Yet we've heard plenty about riots from both BLM and Antifa in just the last year. If you wish unity then you need to call them out also. Not just white supremacists. By not doing so then you are just making the divide bigger.

Yes, they do. But that is what Free Speech is about. Allowing that which you disagree with to be spoken. It certainly isn't about only allowing that which you agree with. However in your post before you didn't single out white supremacists. You said "The white man". IE: ALL white people. And it is that rhetoric which creates divide.

And many who supported Trump are neither. I'm neither a Proud Boy, or Evangelical. Nor do I care about skin color. I follow Martin Luther King in that I judge people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

You have already proven that. And so has every Identarian and racist out there.

 

You have not given me any information that I could use to look up the story. :shrug: All you've said is that a friend of yours that was a former teacher got a "trump terrorist" arrested. Not exactly much to look for. Not even a State to narrow it down even a nibble. Which is why I asked for more information.

 

Well talk about ironic. I once talked about an old friend of mine who was racist against blacks because he had been beaten up several times by blacks for no other reason than that he was a white guy. He blamed the entire black race for it. I disagreed with his reasoning but I could understand it. I told people I could understand it and that for that reason I didn't consider him a true dye in the wool racist. Because despite his racist belief he did not want anything bad to happen to blacks in any shape or form. I was told it didn't matter. He was a true racist and it was unforgiveable. That just because some blacks beat him up he had no right to blame the entire race. I don't disagree to a point.

Now the shoe is on the other foot. Racist blacks are being excused and not considered racist because of what some, not all, white people have done. Do you not see the double standard when one is excused while the other is treated as the devil incarnate? Do you not see how such can cause division? Can cause people to become racist?

You seem to me to be a reasonable person. I hope you understand what I am conveying to you.

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=proud+boys+protests&atb=v179-1&ia=web

I didn't have to go back to 2017, that was one of the biggies.
The link above is just on proud bois. There are many other groups.

Even the rioters at the captitol were 99% or more white. tRUMP voters are largely white.
All trump voters are not white supremacists, but all white supremacists are trump supporters.

I can see all sides, it's why I choose to not be lock step in party partisan BS. You are locked into only what the Alt right tells you.

 

That all looks good in writing, but anyone with any brain material what so ever knows that has not been the practice.


Most people forget segregation was only ended 50 years ago.


Think of it like a game of Monopoly.

"You" and your friend sit down to play a game of monopoly ( "you" represents white males in this ). You setup the board, and start playing.

30 turns later, you have both passed go a bunch. You have both bought up almost all of the property. You both have tons of cash, and you have started to modify the rules a bit to speed up the game.

On turn 31, your "friend" comes and asks if they to can play. ( "friend" represents women and minorities )

You guys say sure. No sweat. So you count out his 1500 dollars, give it to him, and without resetting the board, place his piece on GO.

Good luck.