How a Glock works

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    Friends are agog that I won't carry a loaded striker but will my Combat Commander in condition 1. All in what you're used to and confident in.
     
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    I can understand your preference. But in the time I have trained used it with my G26, it has become intuitive and automatic for me. As I have suggested, my solutions are ones that work for me and for which I have developed a high level of confidence; I am a believer in people making decisions on what solutions work for them. I can provide my thoughts on what works for me which can be used in looking at options, but my word on things should only be taken as far as a starting thought exploring, testing and making decisions the work for you. Your comment is, basically a sort of warning, is something that is worth considering as someone explores their options for solutions that work for them. I have no issue with that.
    I understand why Glock doesn’t make gun with an external safety beyond their Trigger design, or at least offer the option for versions that do. But, I, a left hander have always had to live with most guns being designed for right handed shooters, though these days many guns are made with ambi controls or have aftermarket mods available.
    Glocks are not unlike the AR platform; there are so many aftermarket solutions, that obviate the need to redesign and retool.
    Don’t like the platform, buy something else. Me... I am still looking for the Magic gun...one reason why I have owned so many... you know, a new pretty girl with curls shows up and...
     
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    Bit off topic here, but I've got a bad, BAD feeling that now the gougers have seen they can get Apocalyptical prices for ammo, the costs will NEVER come back down significantly. I've bought a high powered springer pellet rifle and pump pistol so's I can at least practice with SOMETHING!!! Thoughts?
     
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    The prices will restore back to normal once supply catches up with demand, then it will plummet as short attention span buyers will get tired of listening to moma bitching about a closet full of ammo for guns he and his buddies never use anymore and they dump it on GunBroker to buy some more new toys with.
     
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    Wish I had your confidence, but don't forget after tomorrow the greatest assault on the 2nd Amendment seen in our lifetimes at the Federal level begins.
     
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    Very true, but will they succeed and what difference can they make?
     
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    Totally succeed with their wish list, probably not. But the Democrats, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment are playing the long game of "Death by a thousand cuts". Look for the anti-gun politicians in Blue states to be emboldened by the past election and move to make life even more miserable for gun owners! I live in Virginia and the first thing the Democrats did when they took control of the legislature was pass a package of gun control measures with the promise of "more to come next year". Well it's now "next year", oh joy, I can hardly wait! :eekeyes:
     
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    To the off topic comments, I sure hope the price of ammo comes down. I was going to build an ar15 this year, then the cost of ammo went through the roof and I can't afford to buy it, lol.
    On topic, I have a Glock G45 9x19. I love it, absolutely a great gun. Fires true and the trigger pull has a distinct difference where it fires. The only thing you have to get used to is it is easy to anticipate the recoil and some shooters have the low lefts with glocks because of it. I know other guys that hate glocks though because they say they feel like a 2x4. To each their own.
     
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    Which just adds another layer of complexity (a potential failure point) in an emergency. I carried a Glock for 20 years. In my holster it couldn't be fired. Out of my holster in an instinctive shooting situation? All I would have to do is acquire the target and pull the trigger. Draw, acquire target, shoot. Nothing else. Happy Monash.
     
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    I despise Glock as a company and would not own one or tolerate one in my home. I have shot other people's Glocks, and I have field stripped and cleaned them. Very familiar in firearms use and design. But Glock is a bad company in my eyes. When I look at how they achieved their market impact and how that tiny operation of their's on American shores was built and is supplied to this day, I do not see a company to admire. Glock demeans American manufacturing, American design, American workers and even American raw materials and tools.

    No, there is no "Safety" on a Glock unless it is after-market (there are a number of add-on devices available) or required by the country where the weapon is imported for sale. This nonsense in calling the trigger, firing pin and anti-drop mechanical design all a "Safety" is just that, nonsense. A Safety on a gun is a mechanism the shooter must deliberately engage and disengage. A mechanism that is not one of the firing elements of trigger, trigger connector, sear, hammer or striker, or firing pin. The illusion and falsehood of Glocks being inherently safe has put a lot bullets into a lot of legs, among other body parts.

    I prefer solid American gun makers. Ruger is easily the most represented brand in my collection, but there are others.

    And while most of those guns have a safety, some do not. Difference is, unlike Glock, they don't lie about it.
     
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    I am pleased at the Glock reports. On the Ruger. I once owned Ruger revolver, Cal 357 Magnum. I fired it perhaps 6 times when a Brother stole my pistol. He of course denied he stole it but only myself, his wife and him were at my home.
    I watched the video I presented and the Glock Safeties are not normally found on other pistols.
     
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    The safety situation seems to be heavily discussed.

    Seth, is the Glock unsafe for most shooters?
     
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    My first formal firearm training was as a High School Member of the California Cadet Corps. It I believe is like the ROTC program but for the State of CA.
    The high school had constructed a range beneath the woodshops.

    To get this, think of a hill sloping down to a creek. The school shop was on the slope and beneath the shop was room for the range.
    The range had a thick steel deflector. This ensured when hit by bullets, they could only dive into the soil beneath.

    We fired the .22 cal rifle all the time so the deflector shield was good enough. Our teacher was an Army Major who was then getting long of tooth. I do not recall if he was still in the Army reserves or not.

    When I fired the .50 Cal machine gun, it was as a student in the Corps as related above but we were transported back of the University of CA in Berkley to Wild Cat Canyon where a range was up in the hills above the University. All firing there was into the hills so no lifes were in danger.
     
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    I'm not a Glock fan but Ruger is garbage.
     
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    We pilots steer the airplane on the ground with the rudder pedals that also have the brakes on them.

    Not sure if that is helpful or not.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I purchased a new Ruger Blackhawk .357 revolver years ago. Why do you think the Ruger is garbage?

     
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    It’s as safe as the habits and training level of the one who is carrying it.

    Over the years I’ve seen many people pick up a handgun and automatically move their finger into the trigger guard and lay it against the trigger even though there is no intention to shoot.

    This habit must be broken if you’re going carry a Glock. You need to hold it the way I showed in the picture unless you have decided to fire.

    With all semi-automatic pistols, the owner must never, ever assume that the gun is unloaded until they verify that the magazine is removed AND the chamber is empty. Not checking the chamber is probably the single greatest reason people accidentally shoot themselves or someone else combined with carelessly pointing the muzzle at themselves or someone else.

    Once the empty status is checked and rechecked, the owner must continue to handle the gun as if it was fully loaded and ready to fire.

    So to answer your question, it depends on the safety awareness and habits of the one who is handling it.

    If a person wants a gun they can buy to just keep around the house and rarely or never practice with, I would not recommend a Glock or any semi-automatic pistol.

    I assume you are a safe driver. Those safe habits are built in and you do them automatically, almost unconsciously. It has to be that way with all firearms handling and especially with a Glock which has no manual safety. If a person is unwilling or unable to build in those habits, a Glock is not a good choice.

    There is a long list of reasons why a Glock is a great pistol. But everything that is great about the Glock is predicated on safe handling habits that are built in and not deviated from.

    I’ve been carrying and handling Glocks for 30 years without ever unintentionally firing one. Because I have built in, automatic safe handling habits, the Glock works well for me, but it is not necessarily for everyone.

    Seth
     
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    Why do you say that? One of the handguns we own is a Ruger LCR in .22 caliber. It’s a great little revolver, nice grips, nice lines, nice finish, and it works perfectly.
     
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    The price of freedom, as is often suggested, is to accept the responsibility of continual vigilance and resistance to those incremental attacks that may seem inconsequential, but aggregate to deprive us of individual liberties. Be proactively involved... never compromise, never give up resisting those that want to remove individual rights.
    I use the 2nd Amendment as a litmus test when voting. Defense of self, family or friends is perhaps one of the most fundamental rights of humans and is, in my mind, fundamental for the sovereignty and liberty of an individual. Attempt by others to restrict or remove that right is akin to the suggestion that any fundamental right can be denied. Unless voluntarily ceded, enforcing a state imposed denial of that right, can only be enforced by the denial of the other fundamental rights protected by Bill Of Rights limitations of Government powers over individuals. Thus, anyone advocating against the 2nd Amendment is signaling they advocate a position that individual rights and liberties can be denied by the government. An attack on any one of the rights protected by the Bill of Rights is an attack on all of them.
     
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    Absent of any explanation for that statement, it is illogical and contrary to the experience of many. I have owned Ruger firearms for 48 years and have always been impressed with their quality and performance. Of course I can say the same about Smith & Wesson and a few others.
     
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    I work on repairs/customizations for an FFL friend’s shop. I can’t count the number of guns brought to the shop that have never been cleaned. As well, more than once I have been brought a gun that was reported unloaded, sometimes where I was handed the gun with the magazine removed, but found by me or one of the staff behind the counter a chambered round.
    It happens more frequently than you might think, by even some in LE. The most dangerous word in the glossary of firearms terms; ASSUMPTION.
     
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    You are back to referring to the most important accessory for any gun.... a brain.
    There is the idiom ‘no brainer’ which to me does not equate to that of ‘common sense’ when used in the context of firearms, but can mean ‘idiot’ to be avoided. Unfortunately, not always something that can be fixed by training as I am sure you know.
     
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    Most recently a coworker bought a Ruger LC9, at around 200 rounds it refused to feed, after working with Ruger it was determined it needed to be returned for service, six weeks later he had it back, still didn't feed well and after just another 50 or so rounds same problem, literally two months later he got it back, sort of fixed but still not correct.

    He gave up and sold it at a loss.

    Now going back a few decades, I had a Mini 14, seemed to be ok but could never get it zeroed in, friend bought one brand new, same problem, first few rounds sort of good after that both shot high from the point of point of aim.

    Let the barrel cool down and for a few rounds it was ok.

    Another problem I have with Ruger is they tend to not finish the job, yes the firearm works but if you want it to work nicely you the owner need to finish what they should have done in the first place.

    Yea their prices are low but so is their quality, one can spend a little more and get much greater value.

    Ruger is an old company but their products seem like they are made in someone's garage.
     
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    My Ruger .357 Revolver Blackhawk was stolen. I pinpointed it to my own Brother after the police suggested it was him.

    Mine was owned by me for several years and I never had a problem with mine.

    I was halfway thinking of buying a new one again. Not sure now what I will do. I would of course see what consumers reports say about the brand.
     
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    I sort of understand what you're saying. Back in the day when most of law enforcement carried .38 and .357 revolvers, they were almost exclusively S&W and Colt. Rugers weren't seen very often. They were thought of as rugged, but that was about it. The trigger pull was rough, and they just didn't have the lines of the Smith's and Colts, giving kind of a boxy, clunky appearance. Same thing with their autos. As LE transitioned to autos, the Ruger offerings were unpopular - just not as good.

    But I will tell you that the LCR is pretty sweet.

    Ruger.png
     
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